very interesting conversation took place at the International
UFO Congress at Laughlin, Nevada, on 25 February 2009.
It was not a formal interview, had been opportune and
unscheduled, and was recorded with a hand-held dictaphone
in a very noisy environment. Ken Elliott and Miriam Delicado
were also present, and we're delighted to share this
with you. Enjoy :)
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original audio - minus the first 9 minutes, which is almost impossible
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Bob Dean: ...Don’t
get me started there. I am not anti-Semitic, but I have no
illusions about the Israelis. I’ve known a number of
them fairly well for many years through my service in the
military. They’re a great people
and they’re struggling to survive like everybody else.
Bill Ryan: Yes.
Barry Chamish has provided information about a number of
things that have been going on in Israel. It’s
stuff you’ll never read in the newspaper, because
the newspaper is filled with the Palestinians, Gaza and all
little point which I always tell people is that Israeli archeologists
have concluded that the foundation stones which they have
excavated at the Temple Mount, what they call the Mount of
Bob: The Temple Mount is where the Temple used to be.
Kerry Cassidy: I’ve
Bob: The Temple was there until 70 AD when the Romans
tore it down. The Muslims now have built a beautiful mosque
on top of it. I can’t remember the name of it. But you
know, this Mountain, is what it is; it’s a small mountain.
Israeli archeologists have determined that the foundation
stones at the very bottom are thousands of years old. These
stones are the same size as the stones in the temple at Baalbek.
has giant ones.
Bob: Yes. If you’re
familiar with Baalbek...
they weigh 1100 tons.
Bob: There’s even one outside there, that’s
hauled from the quarry.
were just looking at a video about that.
never were able to put it up for some reason, probably because
they got into war with each other.
Bob: But anyhow, the stones they’ve
discovered at the foundation of the Temple Mount are of a
size and age that match the Baalbek-era stones.
Bob: They estimate they’ve
been there for 10,000 years.
Bill: Yes. So how come this hasn’t
been made public?
Bob: Well, that’s
a good question.
Bob: And Barry makes the point that, like so many things
in our country... Like they finally found, you know, they
identified the Ararat Anomaly through the Keyhole 11.
Bob: And they’ve
never released that, have they?
put that Top Secret.
Bill: Well, that’s
just too sensitive.
would they put the Ararat Anomaly Top Secret?
Bill: It would upset a lot of people, wouldn’t
it? The Muslims?
Kerry: Well, you’re
talking about the Ark, right?
Kerry: Well, the reason’s obvious, isn’t it?
Because they’re really not willing to share what happened
during the last cataclysm.
many scientists are willing to talk about anything that even
hints or smacks of religion or the Bible or theological history...
Bob: ...”all this bullshit about Jesus and
God” ...and all that? Have you ever talked to an atheist?
I hope you haven’t. Avoid them like the plague.
Kerry: Well, I have. But I’m not sure that’s
the only reason why they don’t....
Bob: Well, I don’t know why. I do know that they
declared the Ararat Anomaly, once they found out what the hell
they had up there with the Keyhole. They inserted a team up
there, for God’s sakes. They extracted them and they
brought out artifacts.
did they find? Do you know what they found?
Bob: I don’t know what
they found. All I know is that they found “anomalous artifacts”.
Bob: Now, what the hell did they find other than a bunch
of pieces of old wood? I don’t know.
Bob: It’s “anomalous artifacts”. For
a long time the anomaly on the Ararat Mountain was known as
an anomaly. Apparently now they discovered it was a boat. It
wasn’t really an anomaly.
said: “It’s a god-damn boat.”
think I said that in the conference today, those very words.
said that on video with us as well.
yes, you did. Oh yes... a god-damn boat.. Oh
Bob: Bleep me out, if I say something on the interview
Bill: Oh, it’s
all means, bleep me out. [laughs]
was exactly the right way to put it.
Bob: I’ve been bleeped on television before, you
know. I won’t tell you about that. Anyhow, the documentary
the Israeli archeologists are filming, they’re not releasing
it to the public.
Bob: But they’ve
declared that the stones are probably at least 10,000 years
old. And of course that blows the hell out of the idea that
the whole temple was built by Solomon.
only went back, what, 1000 BC? 900 BC?
in that vicinity. Anyhow, these stones are 40 feet long,
10 feet high, and 8 feet thick.
by 10 by 8.
Bob: Forty feet long. Almost identical to the
ones at Baalbek. I found that intriguing.
Bill: Yes. That’s
incredible. That is so interesting.
Bob: And the other thing that Barry Chamish has shared... [turns
to Ken Elliott, a friend of Bob and ourselves] Did you ever
meet Barry? Israeli UFO researcher. He’s very famous.
Ken Elliott: No,
Bob: Is that the Nephilim have been showing up all over
the place. That’s the word he used: Nephilim.
what does that mean?
Bob: What I think it means? In Hebrew, it probably means
the “Sons of God.”
synonymous with the Anunnaki.
it synonymous with the Anunnaki?
Bill: It’s a different word that was used by the
Sumerians, isn’t it?
Kerry: But, as you know, that’s
a general term. So what do you think he meant?
Bob: Anyhow, they’ve had reports. One farmer there... They’ve
turned part of the Negev into a garden, with irrigation. They’ve
got incredible farms at the edge of the Negev Desert. It was
a farmer’s area, pretty good-sized piece of land, growing
all kinds of things.
a commotion outside in his garden and he flicks on the light
which illuminates not only his doorstep but the yard out
there. He opens the door and there’s this guy standing
there, in some kind of a suit. He described it as kind of a
was nine feet tall!
Bob: This farmer goes to his door and looks up at this
guy, who’s this massive human being. He looks human --
arms, legs, head inside a device of some kind. He looks up
at this guy. Of course, his immediate instinct is to slam the
door and run. And he did. He went back and told his wife and
she said: Have you been drinking again? Or something
goes to the front door, and of course there was no-one there.
This is not just one incident. This has apparently happened
so the word out among the Israeli UFO researchers is: The Nephilim are back.
Delicado: That is very interesting.
Bill: Well, we don’t know what they want yet, but
they’re showing up at people’s houses. That’s
you know I had a very important dream about that.
size of the individual was such that he intimidated the hell
out of the farmer.
he disappeared. And this has happened, according to Chamish,
about three times so far.
Is this in the public domain anywhere?
is in Israel.
Bill: OK. So it’s
not like this is off record. This has actually been published.
stones... the part about the stones has not been officially
Is that anything that we can talk about, or is it off record?
By all means.
Bill and Kerry, concerning the best dictaphone positioning.
audio begins here.]
Bob: Well, I think it’s interesting, the fact that
those stones... I’ve always been fascinated by the
Baalbek stories. I’ve never been able to go there, you
know. The years that I had Top Secret clearance I would never
be allowed to go there. They wouldn’t even let me go
to Berlin, for Christ’s sake, when I was at SHAPE.
of my clearance. You see, Europe was divided, honey. Germany
was East Berlin, West Berlin. My kids were able to go to
West Berlin on a tour because they were in high school. I
wanted to go to West Berlin. I wanted to visit the Brandenburg
Gate. I wanted to see a number of things.
I wanted to get into the Berlin Museum but that was in East
Berlin because that had the Lolladoff Plate in it. That is
an anomaly that is dynamite.
it called again?
Kerry: And what’s
the significance of that?
named after a Russian archeologist who brought it back from
World War II began.
when is it dated?
Bob: They can’t date it, honey. It’s a metallic
substance that they can’t even consider what it is.
Bill: Things like that can’t be dated. They’re
shown the Lolladoff Plate in my presentations a number of
times and I have a slide of it.
like to check it out.
I will be delighted to share with you. I can get a print
made of it. But the point is, the Lolladoff Plate was an
anomaly with a little Gray on it and symbols all around.
brought it back from Tibet around 1930 or somewhere back
then. And that’s in the Berlin Museum
in East Berlin. Well, it’s now just Berlin. But I couldn’t
even travel to Berlin when I was there because I had Cosmic clearance.
have a question for you, Bob. In your speech did I misunderstand
you, or did you say that you had worked on aircraft carriers?
I have been on aircraft carriers. My
son worked on aircraft carriers for 12 years.
So that was how you got on aircraft carriers.
I had two, what they know as Tiger cruises. Eric
was at sea for 12 years. He served on four separate Nimitz class
Twice when they had completed their tour in the Pacific, Mediterranean,
wherever, they would come back to Pearl [Harbor] and they would
re-stage so to speak at Pearl. And the aircraft, the entire
air wing on the carriers, would generally leave the carrier
there at Pearl Harbor and fly directly back to Alameda, to
their air base.
And then the ship would then proceed from Pearl Harbor on
to Alameda, which is in San Francisco Bay, and they would invite
family members of crew members to come aboard at Pearl Harbor
and ride with them from Pearl Harbor to Alameda.
they called these Tiger cruises. And I have the privilege
of being on two of them.
long does it take on one of those to go between the two?
Bob: Oh, they could make it in a short time, but it takes
about a week. But they could make it in three days. Those damn
carriers go so fast. That’s another classified thing.
No one knows how fast they can go.
know they go fast.
my son said one time they were playing with a Russian trawler
in the Mediterranean. They were being shadowed, so the captain
decided to play games with the Russian trawler. And they
slammed this big nuclear-powered aircraft carrier -- a thousand
feet long -- slammed it into high gear, whatever they do,
the bow rose somewhat.
Bill: Really? That’s
hard to imagine.
Bob: Yes! And this massive carrier throws up what they
call “rooster tails”.
impossible to imagine!
Well, you know what a rooster tail is.
I do. Exactly, like you get with a little speedboat.
Bob: This massive carrier throws up rooster tails and
this thing goes, and they left the Russian trawler way the
hell back there. And the Russians, I’m sure, are saying: What
are they doing? You know. And the captain of the carrier
is playing a game.
Bob: Now they’re
not taking aircraft aboard and launching aircraft at this
moment because they slow down for that.
Bob: They threw up rooster tails, and Eric says it was
really hilarious to be on the massive ship that he was on with
5,000 crewmen, for God’s sake. Can you imagine? A ship
with 5,000 crew?
Bill: That’s incredible to imagine. But you can’t
just do that with screw propellers, can you? They must be doing
Kerry: There’s special technology, isn’t
there? There would have to be.
they have nuclear power.
have nuclear power.
But also to part the water in front of you. [To Bill[ Isn’t
that the technology that Henry [Deacon] was talking about?
[To Bob] We have a witness that talked about this.
Henry was talking about that.
Bob: No, no. They didn’t
part the water. They just rose up in speedboat fashion. They
turned on the power with these nuclear reactors. And they
have, I think, four enormous 12- or 14-foot screws back there.
you imagine 12- and 14-foot screws? And there are four of
them? Two on each side. And they’re tied to two
nuclear reactors? One reactor for two screws and another reactor
for two screws, and they open it up, the power they’ve
got. So anyway they walked away from the trawler, he said,
and it was hilarious.
knows what they’ll do. Eric says: Pop, it’s
over 50 miles an hour along the ocean. Over 50 miles
heard, actually, that these things can do 80 knots.
Bob: I wouldn’t
doubt that for a minute.
mean, which is very hard to believe.
did I share something? What this commander told me at that
cookout in Whidbey Island? This anti-submarine warfare officer
that I had a chance to meet.
drinking beer and eating clams. This was when my son was
assigned at Whidbey Island. His squadron was there. Whidbey
Island is off the coast of Seattle there in Puget Sound. Beautiful
place. But there’s this good-sized Naval base there.
And I’m visiting the Whidbey Island at the time. It
was kind of a sad story because my wife, Eric’s mother,
and I were in the process of getting a divorce and we’d
gone up there to share that with Eric, to lay it out why we
during the cookout and the party and we’re all
having a few, I bring up the subject of submarines, the Soviet
submarine threat, because I’d been reading about it,
you know. The Soviets had been building massive Typhoon type
And I asked the young man at the time, I said: Are you
guys able to stay on top of those things? I mean, do you
monitor them well?
was in anti-submarine warfare and that’s where... The
state of the art in those days was that they would drop these
electronic, electromagnetic buoys, and then the buoy would
radio to the plane and the guys were flying around in the planes
monitoring the buoy and the buoy’s telling them what’s
underneath. You know that story.
year was this? About?
Bob: In the early ’90s. After ’91, before ’95.
Somewhere in there.
what did he say?
I said: Are you guys on top of the Soviets?
Are you following them? He says: Mr. Dean, he
says, the minute they pull out of harbor, we’re
with them all the way.
Bob: We monitor them from the moment they leave harbor
until they go back.
says: The Soviets are no problem. He
says: They’re big, they’re lumbersome, they’re
good, they’re fast. We don’t...
have a witness that says there are some submarines, though,
off the coast of California right now.
Bob: Well, there used to be Soviet subs on both coasts.
They used to be on permanent station off the west coast, off
the east coast. And every time they’d take up station,
we’d know exactly where they were. And, literally, if
push had come to shove, we could have eliminated them immediately.
And some of them are what they call boomers.
They launch missiles. And the Soviets got pretty good at
it before they... well, they’re still good at
Bob: You know, the SS-18 that I knew about before I retired
from FEMA was... I lived in Tucson and the SS-18 had targeted
Tucson because we had Titan missiles all around us there for
a long time.
But getting back to the story, I asked this young man: Are
the Soviets a threat? And he said: No, not at all.
We monitor them closely. We know where they are at any time. He
says: They show up big on our sonar, the whole nine yards.
We had emplaced sonar devices all over the Atlantic and all
over the Pacific -- God knows how much it cost -- where we
could monitor anything that was going on under the surface,
on the surface.
Blair said one time, he said to a Chinese admiral... He
says: I own the water and I own the air above the water.
So don’t talk threateningly to me. And Denny Blair
at that time was a 4-star admiral who was PAC COM, or CINC
COM, Pacific commander-in-chief. CINCPAC, I think he called
Anyhow, getting on with the story, let me finish this. He
says: The one thing that interests us the most that we
cannot figure out, he says, are the underwater objects
that are the size of aircraft carriers that are traveling over
200 miles an hour.
And he says: That is our primary concern at the moment. He
says: We don’t know who they are, what they are,
and what they’re doing down there, but, he says,
they’re traveling at enormous rates of speed under water
and they’re the size of aircraft carriers.
he says: Some of our naval scientists are
beginning to suspect that they’re the cause of what
you know of as “rogue waves”.
says: Do you know what a rogue wave is?
I says: Well,
I’ve heard about them. They come out
of nowhere and they can turn ships upside-down. On a calm
sea, you know, there’s nothing out there, and all of
a sudden there’s an 80-foot wave comes in. If the ship
doesn’t hit it prow-on, it sometimes can turn a good-sized
vessel sideways or upside-down.
He says: But that troubles us.
was in the early ’90s. We don’t really
know what they are, who they are, or what they’re up
to. All we know is they’re fast and they’re big.
And I said: Well, I got a nagging suspicion of who they
might be. [laughs] But I... you know, I’m
not an expert. I’m not really quotable. I could tell
you who I think they might be. I’d come out of the
closet, as it were, in ’91 and I was speaking publicly
about this phenomenon then. But that’s a little tidbit
that I have on my list of tidbits.
Bill: That’s a lovely story. But if those were ET
craft that can just go through the water like they can go through
the air, that it’s a fluid makes no difference, then
you would expect them to be able to go much faster than that.
could go as fast as they wanted to.
Bob: Considering, Bill, that they build... they
put a field around themselves.
they are not part of the physical reality at that moment.
are within a field that they have generated. And they do
that out there.
Bob: And that field protects and insulates them and they
can go as fast as they want within that field. And essentially
what we’re monitoring is the field moving.
Bob: OK. You’ve
done your homework.
sure. Actually, 200 mph would be pretty slow compared with
what their capability would be.
Bob: Well, that’s
what he shared with me.
this admiral had how many stars? How many stars did this
admiral you were talking to have?
the time, this was a commander.
me the number of stars.
Bob: Commander... No, they don’t
wear stars. Admirals wear stars.
wasn’t an Admiral. I’m
sorry, is Admiral above or below Commander?
Bob: Well, let me give you a quick rundown here. My kid
entered the service as an Ensign, a little gold bar. In the
Army we’d call that a Second Lieutenant. The next rank
up is Lieutenant Junior Grade, a little silver bar. In the
Army we call that First Lieutenant.
step in the Navy would be Lieutenant Commander, that’s
a little gold oak leaf. In the Army we’d call that a
Major. The next rank up in the Navy is Commander, wearing a
silver oak leaf. And in the Army we call that rank Lieutenant
rank up in the Navy is Captain, wearing a little silver eagle,
four stripes on his sleeve. In the Army we call that a Full
Colonel, “Bird Colonel”. The next step
would be Brigadier General, one star. Major General, two stars.
Lieutenant General, 3 stars. And General, 4 stars.
The Admirals in the Navy: Rear Admiral, one star. Rear Admiral
Second Grade, 2 stars. Vice Admiral, 3 stars. And Full Admiral,
Thank you very much for that.
Kerry: We have gotten information from someone saying that
they think there was some problem with the Navy’s control
of the ET situation sometime over the last year, where they
seem to be losing ground or losing power within the factions,
you know, Army vs. Navy vs. Air Force. Is that true? It doesn’t
ring true to me. But I wondered if you’ve heard anything
Bob: All I’ve known is that at the very beginning
of the whole damn thing that the Navy has been the primary
service in this whole thing. And I don’t know where it
began. Probably back to the fact that the Navy recovered a
UFO off the coast of San Diego in 1941.
Kerry: And we’ve
never heard that story. Can you elaborate on that one?
Bob: A lot of researchers are well aware of it. You know,
you all hear about Roswell and all that hoopdeedoo about Roswell,
and nobody seems to grasp that there wasn’t one crash
and retrieval. There were three crashes and retrievals. And
there have been crashes and retrievals all over the country,
and all over the planet, for years.
military even reached the point some years ago, which many
of us who were in the service knew about, is that they didn’t
think they were crashing. They thought they were giving us
in some places they found the object on the desert floor,
or wherever, fully intact. And in some cases there was remnants
of a crew aboard. And in other cases the object was empty,
no crew to be found.
they really began to be suspicious when they saw that. And
they began, a couple of them said: Hey, it’s
like they’re giving us this hardware.
Bob: They’re handing us this technology. And
in the cases of where there were little Grays aboard... And
you’ve heard me say this, and this is common knowledge
among researchers, that there were little Grays aboard.
There were survivors; there were two or three dead; one or
two were still alive. They hauled them off to where the hell
is it? Wright-Patterson. They had labs there at the time. They
have labs everywhere now. There are labs up the road here.
point is, they kept expecting them to come back to retrieve
their little crew.
they should easily have been able to.
of course they could have done it any time they wanted.
Bob: And they didn’t.
And several cynics said: Hell,
they didn’t give a damn one way or the other about
retrieving that little guy. Because those little guys
in many cases were not an evolved species.
The crash in northern Germany in 1962, Timmendorfer Strand,
on the Baltic. There were twelve little bodies aboard and the
physicians who autopsied them said they were absolutely identical
and not one of them appeared to have anything that we could
recognize as a reproductive organ. So they began to be suspicious
that they might be laboratory products.
the ones they grabbed at Roswell and Kingman and a couple
other places. Right across the river over there in Kingman,
Arizona, there was a crash.
Bob: They retrieved two of the little guys who were alive.
They took ’em back. They kept thinking that “They” were
gonna come back and get them. And the cynics said: Hell,
they just wrote them off. Like the joke about the potato
chips, they went back and made more.
Bob: Now that is... I
find that kind of sad, really. When you create an advanced
creature that has the capability of functioning as a crew
member of a ship, the question that I come up with that troubles
me somewhat from a spiritual point of view -- is there a
level of sentience in that creature? That someone would just
write them off and let them go and leave them alone and forget
our Mr. X said...
Bob: And then I had an experience in Southeast Asia when
I found out... [long pause] ... Excuse me. We left
guys behind in ’Nam. [voice choked up] I’m sorry.
Forgive me. We left them behind knowingly.
they knew it going in.
signed this deal with the North Vietnamese. We had made a
promise that when we began to withdraw from Vietnam we were
gonna give the North Vietnamese a couple of billion dollars
in reparations. Did you know that story?
Bill: No, I didn’t.
were gonna give them a couple of billion, so-called reparations
for the damage we had done over Hanoi. Well, we never gave
them a dime because our political people back in Washington
got into a big knock-down drag-out brawl and said: Not
only no, but Hell no. We’re not giving them
Well when we said that, the North Vietnamese said: Well,
screw you. You can kiss your boys goodbye. And there
were several hundred of them.
Sure. And they were regarded as being less valuable than...
Bob: They wrote them off like they didn’t
have any value. And I served for 27 years in the Army and
I never met a man, Bill, in all my years of service, that
did not have value.
Bob: The idea we’d leave them behind knowingly,
and telling their next of kin that they’re missing in
action or they’re killed in action, and those guys were
in prison camps, alive, and could have been repatriated.
Well then, this commentary about these little Grays began
to make some sense. They wrote them off. They went back and
you want to be a total cynic, as I’ve almost
become over the years, we went back and made more.
some of the ones we made are now dying in Iraq.
have a grandson dying in Kansas, after his second tour in
heart is coming apart. His brain was scrambled.
from? Do you know?
of those whatever they call it, those improvised...
Bob: IED. They’re bombs. They blow up. They improvise
them; they put ’em beside the road.
Bob: There you are. IED. Anyhow, one went off right
next to his personnel carrier. Killed a couple of his friends;
shook him up. His brain was bruised and damaged, but the damage
to his heart, they can’t... The VA’s got him
under a complete care and support in Kansas, some clinic out
there. My youngest grandson.
the years you see these things. We’ve got people
in government, for God’s sake, that are capable of almost
And I’ve had these young women come up to me... well,
they’re not so young anymore. They come up to me, who
have been grabbed and used in these experiments, for God’s
sake. You’ve probably talked to some of them. And they
come up and share with me heartbreaking stories because they
know that I can understand, and I will be sympathetic or at
least compassionate enough to listen to them.
got a government which I said Sunday: If you
people think you know the government you’ve got, you
don’t know the government you’ve got.
about Black Government, Shadow Government. It doesn’t
matter what term you use. There are professionals in power
that function as government that no one ever elected, that
is not responsible or accountable to anybody, not to the House
or the Senate or to the President or the American people. And
many of them are in the intelligence agencies.
Bob, have you come across any overt Nazism in your experience?
Bob: Hell yes. Don’t
you know that NASA was formed by Nazis?
we do, actually.
Bob: Well, that’s
fairly common knowledge. You just never realized how vast
Bob: You didn’t realize how... You
all know about Wernher von Braun. Wernher was just the number-one
guy in that program. There were at least a dozen if not more
Nazis who were brought in under...
you know any of them?
Bob: ...Paperclip. And many of them were
prosecutable, who should have been held up in front of the
Nuremburg trials. And we had them here and we gave them high
pay, bought them beautiful homes; brought them and their families,
and they worked for the NASA program for years.
wasn’t merely NASA. We had a number of them
working in Central Intelligence. As a matter of fact, the CIA
was an offshoot of an old organization; I forget the name of
OSS. [Office of Strategic Services]
Bob: Strategic Service. That was built on a Nazi profile.
That was built on a Nazi plan. And the old OSS had a whole
bunch of Nazis in it. So that when the war was over, we had
planeloads of Nazis being flown out Germany, for Christ’s
sake, to the United States, being treated like celebrities.
Bill: Yes, that’s
Bob: The only thing that never came out – their
names. We brought Nazis with their families and there’s
a big joke going around ... oh there are Nazis in Argentina.
Bullshit. There are Nazis in Washington, DC. There are Nazis
in Hollywood, in Beverly Hills.
But most of the old guys are gone now but their heirs are
alive and well. Many of them are in government. And if I were,
if had my notes at hand, I could probably name a few for you.
I got up
in front... Well, you were there. Didn’t
you see me Sunday?
stood up in front and held this folder filled with... Here’s
my notes. I didn’t
even get one-third of the way through there.
to share another tidbit with you while I think about it because,
you know... my mind at this stage. You push
my button and I go dancing around here. The point is there
was another piece of information I found tremendously interesting.
A researcher by the name of Tellinger in South Africa.
Bob: Oh, he’s
listened to his story and seen his stuff.
Bob: Well, have you heard the story he’s
telling now? South African archeologists have discovered
what they think are Anunnaki laboratories.
to an ancient gold mine.
70,000 years old.
find that interesting.
Bob: Now, what a laboratory would look like to an archeologist
after 70,000 years, [Kerry laughs] I can’t imagine. But
the very word was used. Tellinger said that apparently they
discovered what appears to be the remnants of an ancient laboratory adjacent
to an ancient gold mine. I didn’t hear the term 70,000
years. I just heard that it was ancient.
at least 70,000 years old.
Bill: What I heard was about a year ago. They found some
clearly artificial stone structures that were so old that the
mainstream archeologists couldn’t believe that they weren’t
natural. But if you look at them, you’ve got what Tellinger
describes as South Africa’s Stonehenge.
Much, much older.
Bob: As colorful as Stonehenge is, it’s not that
big. There are things out there... Are you familiar with Nabta
Playa? The site in Egypt?
Bill: No. I’m
Bob: In southern Egypt? Nabta Playa? Oh my gosh! They’ve
discovered remnants of what was apparently a calendar in the
Bob: A calendar. A stone calendar that’s laid out
in the desert at a place in southern Egypt, west of the Nile.
I’m trying to place how it is according to... where’s
Bob: It’s south of Aswan and west of the river.
And they found this site called Nabta Playa. They estimate
the age of this thing is 150,000 years old. But it’s
a stone calendar. And when they recorded that and measured
it and checked it out... and they’ve done that.
a book out called The Origin Map.
Bob: OK? I can’t
remember the name of the author. [ed. note: Thomas Brophy].
But you can find the book. The
Origin Map. This stone calendar apparently has a detailed
map, not only of the solar system, but the galaxy.
Bob: It maps the galaxy! And they can determine the age
of it because, by taking and computerizing what they found,
the location and placement, they can age it, like going back,
and that’s when they figured it was over 100,000 years
A map of the galaxy! Get the book, The Origin Map.
writer escapes me. Find the book, read the book, then find
the author and interview him. What an interview that would
Bob, I want to ask you a question. We saw Sitchin in L.A.
Kerry: And he said to the audience... An
audience member asked him if the reason we went into Iraq
was because of the Anunnaki. And he hemmed and hawed and
then he finally said: Yes.
said Yes? I’m not surprised.
What do you know about that?
Bill: What his exact words were is – because I have
a good memory for details of conversations – the question
was: Is the war in Iraq connected in any way with the Anunnaki? And
he paused for a long time. And then he said: This answer
is full of landmines, but yes. And then he didn’t
say any more.
old codger! I have tremendous admiration and respect for
Bob: But I’m
not at all surprised.
did he mean? [laughs]
let me tell you what he might have meant. I can tell you
from what limited knowledge I have. I can tell you that most
of the gang that tore apart and went through the Baghdad
Bob: ...were our people.
you knew that.
Bill: That’s been heavily surmised by people trying
to figure out what was really going on there.
Bob: Oh yes, they were our people. And that Lieutenant
Colonel, or Colonel, that Marine Colonel that we put there
in charge of the museum? You know who I’m talking about?
Bill: I don’t,
put a Marine Colonel in charge of the museum to look after
it and hopefully regain all of the stuff that had been looted.
to safeguard it after the mob had left.
Bob: Well that Lieu... This
is probably going to get my ass into a jam, but that Marine
Colonel knew exactly who those people in that mob were.
they went in that museum and they walked away with specific items.
had a list...
what to bring back from that museum.
so much of what was stolen [is] irreplaceable, worth its
weight in gold, or platinum, or...
the question is, they took it somewhere.
you know, Dan Burisch says that we have the Looking
Glass technology on those cylinder stones. And that’s
time-travel technology that you can get off the stones. And
there’s a stargate underneath in Iraq.
Bob: Kerry, when you travel in space, you travel in time.
You cannot separate space-time. Space-time, time-space, space-time,
it’s all the same. You cannot travel out there without
traveling in time.
Bob: Time is not at all what we think. And you’ve
heard this again and again and again, and I’ve been working
to try to get my mind to wrap around it and I can’t.
But that yesterday and today and tomorrow, it’s all the
same. There’s only one eternal Now.
Bob: Now I can’t
wrap my poor old brain around that. [To Bill] Perhaps you can. [To Kerry] You
ought to interview this guy [Bill] sometime.
Kerry: Oh, we’re
Bob: Don’t put him on the... don’t
let him do the interview. You interview him!
Bob: Because I’ve already intuitively picked up
on this dude that he knows a hell of a lot more than he’s
ever shared with anybody!
bring something up and he knows all about it already.
Ken: His poor old nimble brain sure draws a crowd, doesn’t
Where were we? Oh, we were at Nabta Playa.
we were in Iraq, and the Anunnaki.
The cylinder seals.
Bob: Yes, well look, honey. I said this Sunday, didn’t
I? The Anunnaki are all around us. It was that crew that met
Ike in ’54 at Muroc. That was the Anunnaki, the same
group that built Ur. It’s the same group that built the
ziggurat that poor old John Paul II wanted to visit before
Miriam: I don’t know even a quarter of... I don’t
even know an eighth of what you all know and understand, but
as you’re talking about this I seem to recall someone,
somewhere, sharing with me that the indigenous people all over
the world are starting to have people visiting, trying to dig
up their sites, and they are looking for technologies.
I am under
the impression from my contact that I’ve
had, that part of this is – the reasoning behind it is – that
there’s an ultimate device that they are trying to find
all of the parts for that are all over the Earth. What do you
know about that?
doing the digging?
Miriam: I’m not sure what group it is that’s
doing the digging but it’s definitely... it’s
definitely, you know, an organization.
human, a national entity of some kind?
Bob: All right. Well, I’m not surprised. I wouldn’t
be at all surprised. They have learned that there is knowledge
of ancient societies’ traditions. You know, just to give
you a brief example of the Dogon in Africa who knew all about – what
the hell’s the planet or the star out there?
Bob: Sirius A and Sirius B. We didn’t
discover Sirius B until what, 30 years ago? And the Dogon
knew about it.
knew all about it for thousands of years.
Bob: I mean that’s
a tiny example. And the Nabta Playa thing out there in the
desert. The stuff that was rifled out of the museum in Baghdad.
about the idea of a stargate in Iraq?
Bob: I don’t think it’s there anymore, because
they don’t need it. Stargates can be opened at any time,
at any place by them, at their choosing. They open a portal
any time they want. And if you don’t believe me, read The
Search for the Skin Walker. [ed. note: The Hunt for
the Skinwalker] You know who George Napp is? I hope you
the Skinwalker Ranch.
Skinwalker Ranch up in Utah.
Kerry: Yes, I’ve
heard him speak about it.
Bob: Bob Bigelow who I’ve known for some years,
billionaire in Vegas up here, paid out of pocket to establish
a research center up there at the Skinwalker Ranch for years
and years and years. And the book that George Knapp and the
British scientist – I can’t remember the name of
the guy that worked with him [ed. note: Colm Kelleher] -- was
under contract with Bigelow for many years. The name is escaping
Ranch story was just the tiny tip of a large iceberg. That
particular location apparently was a site selected by them.
There’s some of them out there – and they
come and go off that particular location and have been doing
it for centuries.
have these stories that go back hundreds of years of “The Others” coming
through these doorways. Well, they open the doorways any
time and any place they want.
I don’t think there’s anything left in Baghdad
or in Iraq. I could be wrong. There could be something underground
that hasn’t been dug up yet. I know we had a team over
there digging like hell in Ur.
Bob: I had the newspaper article, and I’ve
got it with me, from the New York Times of poor old John
Paul wanting, asking for God’s sake, asking Saddam
Hussein for permission...
make what the Vatican considered a holy – what
was the word that I...?
Bob: A holy pilgrimage to Ur!
Bill: That’s as weird as it gets, isn’t
when you consider the meaning first of all, of pilgrimage and holy – and
this was in the release; the Vatican said this – a holy pilgrimage
to Ur before he died.
Bob: And he asked Saddam Hussein for permission and the
son of a bitch turned him down, wouldn’t allow him to
But the point is, what motivated John Paul II to want to make
his pilgrimage to Ur? Could it have been the information that
[Archbishop James] McIntyre gave to Pope Pius II?
Bob: Because of the event that happened up at Muroc in ’54?
Kerry: But we have information the Vatican’s
also had visitations from a certain group.
Bob: Oh! Oh! Listen, they have! Of course! I’ve
got it in my file. I wanted to get to it Sunday and didn’t
have time. I have a good friend in Rome, Cristoforo Barbato.
You know him?
a friend of yours?
Bob: Yes, I’ve
known Cris for years.
know him personally. OK.
been trying to interview him.
Bob: Oh, he’s a dear young man. He’s
bright and delightful. I consider him a good friend.
Bill: He told us he didn’t
Kerry: I can’t
Bob: Excuse me Cris, I’m
Bob: Well, he doesn’t
speak it that well.
Kerry: He may not write it... He doesn’t
write it that well.
Bill: OK. That’s
Bob: All right. You’ve
talked to Cris, then?
Bill: No, we haven’t. We spoke to Luca Scantamburlo.
exchanged emails with Cristoforo.
supposed to be here.
supposed to be here. Get with...
Bill: We need to find out if... whether Luca’s
here before we go. OK.
not on the list to speak.
Bill: No, he’s
not on the list to speak. Um, Paola [Harris] would know.
Talk to Paola. Talk to Paola because I think...
Bill: Let’s find out if he’s
what is Cristoforo telling you? I mean, he knows all about
Nibiru. Is he part of the...
Bob: Well, Cris has gotten most of his information from
a couple of close friends who are Jesuits. And I’ve known
Jesuits for years. I used to sit and drink and have big parties
with Jesuits when I ran an Officer’s Club in Nuremburg
years ago during the Occupation. And the Jesuits are the scholars
Bob: And they not only run the intelligence service,
which I jokingly said Sunday is probably one of the world’s
finest, if not the finest because every damned Catholic
priest in the world is a member of the, you know, feeding information
into the intelligence service.
Bob: So the Vatican’s
got unpaid agents all over the damned place.
Bob: Anyhow, Cris has got this connection with these
Jesuits in Rome and they’re members of this, apparently,
this Vatican security organization. And they reached out to him.
He didn’t reach out to them, they reached out to him.
It’s happened to me time and time again over my years.
wanted him to... because they knew he had people
who listened to him, he had connections within the UFO community,
as it were. And they wanted him to know they are deeply, deeply
involved with the Tenth Planet.
that the Vatican is deeply concerned about it.
Kerry: Is there a chance it’s
disinfo? Planted purposely?
Bob: Oh, you always have to face that, that you have
in intelligence operations over the years you always have the
problem of disinformation. Our authorities are good at it.
There’s always that possibility.
Vatican must be good at that as well.
the problem is, in such things you learn to sift and weigh
and evaluate, and you check other sources and you compare
this source with that source, and you try to end up intuitively
grasping for yourself: Is there any validity
And after a time, and you work at it, and you learn after
a while to get pretty good at it because you develop your own
inner gut feeling -- which they call intuition --
that this is going good and that ain’t. And I’ve
learned over the years, the hard way, to weigh and sift and
figure out what was right. I think the story is basically true.
assumed, from what I...
Kerry: Does Barbato think it’s
Bob: Cris thinks it’s
Kerry: But he’s gone into hiding. We were told they
tried to get him fired from his job. In fact he lost his job.
He couldn’t get another job. Did you hear that? Because
he writes for magazines and they wouldn’t – they
closed him down. He was talking too much.
Bob: Cris has had bumpy roads along the way and I don’t
want to put this on tape.
Kerry: But isn’t this the Vatican’s
tactics? You know they broke into our car when we were parked
in the Milan airport.
Kerry: And it was right after we talked to Luca Scantamburlo.
They thought we had something. They thought he’d given
us something. He didn’t give us anything. But he was
talking about Nibiru.
realize what a dynamite subject this is to the Vatican?
the way, the Vatican is a very interesting place.
Bob: Yes, they wouldn’t
let me in.
you been there?
think I was there last night in my visions.
was denied access.
talk later, OK?
got that, right?
Bob: I hope I didn’t
say something too offensive.
at all. I can just feel someone calling me back to that room.
gotta go, too.
Miriam: I just want to say thank you, because this is the
first time I’ve had an opportunity to meet you and I
understand now why people think so highly of you. You’re
wish I understood it. [laughs]
Miriam: You are always weighing the possibilities and it’s
such an important aspect to keep in this field. And I just
want to say thank you.
Bob: Let me just say one thing in closing. It’s
all a spiritual matter. You know that.
the only thing
has nothing to do with guys coming and going from different
has nothing to do with it. And Kerry and Bill are supporters
of that, fully.
they know that.
that is what I talk about to everyone that gives me the opportunity
to do so. So thank you.
I would love to stay but I feel someone calling me back to
Kerry: Actually you need to watch our interview with him.
We’ve got two very long interviews.
Miriam: OK. I will watch all of them in detail. And the
only other thing to say in closing is that there is mining
going on all over the planet and everyone has this idea that
it’s being done for gold and silver and all of these
other matters. But I have a feeling that that is actually not
what’s going on.
take a look at the locations where all of this pit mining
is going on or where they’re trying to
go, a lot of these areas are sacred places. And I believe it
is because they are trying to find the way underground, not
just to an underground base or to create one, but to the actual underground.
And they’re trying to see if it’s real. That’s
what they’re trying to do.
if they wanted to ask me some advice I would tell them to
go to Mount Hayes, Alaska and just try to
start mining. You know what’s under Mount Hayes? [laughs]
Miriam: I know it’s
is a major ET facility under Mount Hayes in Alaska.
Mm hm. Well, I know that they’ve been
in certain areas where they’ve been trying to get to,
and I personally know of at least two locations where there
are bases underground. Three, actually, that I’ve never
talked about, ever. And I won’t share that publicly.
But I do
know of three locations and that they’ve been
trying for years to get mining into those areas and they’ve
been stopped every time.
Bob: Well, it’s a hell of a... They’re
not going to succeed. If they dig in the wrong place, they’re
up the creek.
Miriam: They are. They’re
totally up the creek.
they were to try mining in Mount Perdido in the Pyrenees,
they would run into a real mess.
How do you know this, Bob, about Mount Hayes and Perdido?
Where does your information come from?
Bob: A variety of sources. There’s
one remote viewer that I probably evaluate and trust.
going to catch up with you later. Thank you. Have a good
Ken: And I’m
here to testify that Bob Dean is alive. He is not dead again.
Bob: Oh, that’s a rumor! That’s only a rumor.
You’ve got to interview Ingo Swann.
Kerry: Oh, you know it! I love the guy. I mean, we’re
trying to interview him for a long, long time. I think he’s
the best out there.
Bob: Let me tell you a little vignette here, and then
I have to go to the Gentleman’s Lounge because I’m
need of a – what is it they call it? A flash of illumination?
[laughter] And I have to go to the men’s room to get
it, you see.
taken to Mount Hayes by a chap by the name of James Axelrod...
Bob: ...who at the time was Director of Special
Programs in the CIA. James Axelrod – I don’t know,
James may be dead now. Obama’s got an Axelrod in his
staff! I don’t know whether they’re related or
not. Could be.
But James Axelrod was the Director of Special Programs in
CIA for some years ago, took old Ingo, after interviewing,
using him, asking him to assist them in some of their remote
viewing -- which he did. Gave them information on the Moon
that blew them away.
The point is, they took Ingo up to Mount Hayes to purposely
demonstrate and show him the coming-in of a massive ET ship.
they watched it materialize over a lake...
heard that story.
the base of Mount Hayes.
heard that story. Yes.
Bob: OK. Now, Ingo didn’t at the time know where
the hell he was, so he didn’t know where Mount Hayes
was or anything like it. But the ship materialized and it came
in through time.
Bob: It wasn’t
just a space ship; it was a time ship. And Axelrod did it
purposely to show Ingo what they were dealing with.
you want to know about underground bases, the guy who first
began to find out all about them was... Price.
Bob: Pat Price. Pat’s
gone for years now.
Bob: He was a cop. Loved to have known him. He was my
kind of guy. Pat was the one – they said that they’d
never got a remote viewer as accurate as Price had been.
He came up initially with these locations, and he came up
with four of them. One at Pine Gap, the other one at Mount
Perdido, the other one underground in Zimbabwe.
Bill: Oh really! I haven’t
heard that one.
Bob: Well, I’ve got notes. I’ve
even got map photographs of these locations in my files.
It was in Alaska, Perdido in the Pyrenees, Pine Gap, Zimbabwe.
learned from my connections with intelligence, and the Navy
people primarily, that there is a major ET facility on a
mountain in Puerto Rico. And there is a massive undersea
location off Puerto Rico in a place called the Puerto Rican
which is very deep.
Kerry: Yes, they’re actually filming – I don’t
know if it’s Jaime or someone else – there’s
a film-maker who films UFOs, the evidence of the UFOs going
in and out of the water. Right?
apparently they come in in a lake. They come out of a lake
in Puerto Rico.
a place called Cabo San Lucas, I think in Puerto Rico, which
San Lucas is in Baja.
Bob: Well, there’s
Kerry: So maybe it’s
the same name.
Bob: Maybe I’m
wrong, but it sounds like Cabo San Lucas.
Bob: But there’s
a major ET facility there. And the one that I find most intriguing
is the major US-ET joint operation in the Kwajalein Atoll
in the Pacific.
Bill: Yes. I’ve
heard that. Kwajalein.
have a joint facility there on Kwajalein with them. I
would say it’s mostly with the same group.
Anunnaki, meaning the tall...
Bob: Well, that’s
mean, because some of these bases are Gray bases.
there are two Grays, you know. There are two groups of Grays.
Grays that appear to be an evolved species. You know, they
bleed, they reproduce like we do. They’re
almost human in a sense. They’re five feet, sometimes
taller, five and a half. Their skin’s not gray, it’s
kind of an off-white.
have round eyes.
they are apparently benevolent people.
Bob: But so are the ones supposedly from the Pleiades.
Are they benevolent? The indications we’ve received from
people I say I trust...
Kerry: It’s just there are some that are not, so
it’s important to make the distinction.
Bob: Listen, there are different groups with different
agendas and they’re not in total agreement with each
other. However, thank God, thanking the big cheese in this,
there are at least two groups, perhaps three, that are supportive
of us, that would like to see us survive as a species.
they appear to be working together.
Bob: Although they may have separate agendas, they do
have an agreement or an understanding among themselves that
they’re going to have to help bring the human race through
our transition here. Which is not easy.
Yes, you’re right, there are different groups with
different agendas. I’ve been told that they all have
their own agendas. And some of them are not so nice.
Bob: We have encountered some that are not nice at all.
I don’t mean to say that they are purposefully malevolent.
They just don’t like human beings. They look upon us
told me about two he worked with outside of Nellis. They’re
working with us, they respect us, they know that we have
a potential to be better than we are. They want to see us
are others that couldn’t care less whether
we make it or not. They are so advanced, apparently, not only
technologically but spiritually and socially, they’re
at a point where they have very little compassion for us as
a primitive species.
Now how much compassion do we show to chimpanzees in the zoo?
How much compassion do we show to monkeys in the wild?
Bob: You know, do we show compassion to the Bonobo – or
whatever you call it? That group of chimps that are apparently
one step beyond regular chimps? The Bonobo – is those
the ones that walk upright?
much compassion do we show to them? We put needles in them;
we put them in laboratories.
OK, but a lack of compassion is a lack of evolvement in a
of how evolved they are technologically.
Bill: Right. Just because you’re technologically
smart doesn’t mean you’re spiritually wise.
Bob: Yes. They don’t
go together necessarily.
Kerry: The name of the game is it’s a spiritual game
in the final analysis. And they’re not winning that game
just because they’re technologically advanced.
Bob: No, they’re
Kerry: And that’s why they’re here – part
of the reason.
Bob: It could be why they don’t
like us very much. Because we human beings appear to have
Bob: Humans have a spark of divinity within. Now I’m
not saying this – and I’m not telling you with
any authority, but I’m telling you there could be species
out there that do not have that spark of divinity.
And the question is: Do they have a conscience? And
the theological people will say: Do they have a soul?
Hell, I don’t know. I’ve often wondered whether
I had a soul. And until I began my remote viewing and had my
out-of-body experiences, I was never quite certain of it.
But I do know now. Yes indeed, I do have a soul. And so do
you, and so do you.
know that for sure.
Bob: I know you know that.
I want to ask you two quick questions, because we have to
go, and so do you. One question is about Ike and Muroc in
1954. Was there another meeting at Holloman?
some people talk about Holloman as well.
there were two meetings. One was at Muroc and one was at
one was first? Muroc was first?
Bob: Muroc, I think, was the first one, in ’54.
Holloman was ’52 or ’53, maybe. [Ed note: Bob meant
to say ’54, or ’55.] I think Michael Salla has
Bob: If you’ve followed him, you saw his presentation?
I don’t know whether that’s totally accurate or
not. It may be. But there have been meetings at several bases
over the years at different places.
they were not all with the same group.
Bob: There’s a rumor and a story that I’ve
heard repeatedly from different sources which I think might
have some validity to it, that Kennedy met a group from the
really? I had not heard that.
Kennedy met the Tall Blonds.
Bill: OK. That’s interesting. That’s
that makes sense.
Bob: Well, it all seems to fit, doesn’t
pieces of an enormous jigsaw puzzle. And you start putting
them all together, and you think: Oh
my God, look at that picture.
that does make sense. I think Jack Kennedy met this group,
the Tall Blonds. Now, whether that was a contributing factor
to his death, I don’t know.
Bob: I do know that rumor continually surfaces that he
planned total disclosure before he died. There are people that
even suspect that that was the reason he was killed. That’s
the Wise Men. You’ve heard my term I use.
Bill: The Wise Men. Yes?
Bob: The Wise Men. The Magi...
Bob: ...didn’t want it because it wasn’t
Kerry: Are you aware that there’s
a change in the Magi, you know, basically in that whole group?
Kerry: And that they’ve
gone through a transition, and they have different leaders
take their toll on the Magi. [laughs]
they used to say: Progress is measured by
one funeral at a time. You’ve heard that?
Bill: That was Max Planck who said that. Yes. That’s
old scientists drop dead, and the new scientists come out
with a broader view and an open mind.
Bob: Yes, the Magi has changed several times. The last
I heard from sources, well, my friend at the Arlington Institute – is
that there are now about 40 of them. When they meet at the
country club there in Virginia, they need more tables and chairs
now. They meet annually, supposedly. And as I jokingly say: It’s
not A country club, it’s THE country club.
country club. Yes.
Bob: An old retiree friend of mine who is at death’s
door used to run that place. He ran the bar; he ran the dining
I asked him one time: Why the hell do you
do that, knowing what the hell they’re up to?
And he honestly said this to me. He says: Let me tell you.
He says: Neither one of us is stupid.
He says: The perks are good.
He says: I eat anything I want any time I want.
He says: I smoke the very best cigars that are air-delivered
to us here from Cuba. The finest cigars, as good if not better
than what Castro smokes.
He says: We’re drinking the finest Scotch we can
get from Scotland.
And he says: It’s so good that the Scots don’t
export it and sell it. They drink it themselves.
And he says: We get cases of it from Scotland.
He says: Now here I am.
And he says: You, you old fart -- this was some years
back -- told me you like bourbon. I like Scotch.
So he says: I got the best cigars, I got the best Scotch,
I got the best steaks, and I got a place to live.
He says: And I live in a comfortable suite at the Country
Club. All my bills are paid.
And he says: My pension goes into the bank and I never
He says: Why the hell wouldn’t I do this? You
would, too, if you were given the chance.
And I jokingly said: Is there an opening? [laughter] Is
there another job? l’lI work for you, you old bastard,
you know. [laughter]
We served together. We were in Korea together.
Did he know anything about what was discussed in those meetings
or was he not present?
Bob: He had a vague idea of the agenda. Yes, they discussed... You
hear these rumors about, hell I forget what they call themselves,
the Bilderbergers? And another group, The Council of Foreign
find these wise men in all of those
groups. They’re members of all of them. And there’s
another, a third group that I can’t remember.
Bob: And they’re
represented on all of them.
Bob: And they literally – I don’t know whether
this is true – I hate to go; I’ve gotta run. I
don’t know – they said to me they pick who runs
in that White House has been approved.
the straight of it. They control the whole thing.
Bob: And I look at this young man, bright young kid there
that’s living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Has he been
approved? Obviously he has. And if he hasn’t been, God
bless him, because...
his Secret Service people are on their toes. Because if Obama
tries to pull anything at all that is not in accordance with
their agenda, he’s up shit creek. And you may quote
Bill: We will quote you. [Kerry laughs] Just a little
bit of interest... just a tidbit for you here. We met
somebody who met Obama in the 1980s when Obama was 20-something
years old. And he said that at that point Obama knew that
he was going to be president.
has shown that confidence over the years.
Bill: Yes. And it wasn’t that he – what was
really interesting – it wasn’t that he knew that
he would be in for a shot at the presidency. He knew
he would be president.
Bob: Well, that’s what my old buddy told me. He
said that they pick them. And if they get to the office, they’ve
been selected. Now what Jack Kennedy did, I don’t know.
I know Jack was put in there primarily by his old man’s
Now, whether he changed his plans while he was in office?
I have no idea what happened there. Jim Marrs has got it all
in his book.
Bob: I’m not surprised. You know I’ve
learned enough about the program and the process in the Shadow
Government, and the ones who really call the shots. And I
said to the people on Sunday, I says: The government
you think you’ve
got’s not the government you’ve got.
Bob: I wouldn’t be surprised, Bill, whether they’re
pulling the shots there, that they’re selecting. It wouldn’t
surprise me because I know the same damned process is going
on in the Vatican. They picked the present Pope.
Bob: The Kraut,
who had been a member of...
Bob: ...Hitler’s youth when he was a kid.
They selected. It’s a game...
Bob: And we’re
all chess pieces.
they move us around.
Bob: And I learned that I had been moved around before... Well,
I learned it finally in Vietnam.
I worked for this Colonel in Special Operations. I knew then
that I was a mere chess piece. That was when the beginnings
of my old world really began to crumble.
when I learned about “The Assessment.” My
old world view is gone. My old paradigm, I’ve swept it
Bob: My new world view is in a process of being formed,
and firmed up, and we’re discussing that right now.
your mission, which is ours also, is to help people let go
of their worldview so they can...
Bob: Well, I have been told... I have been flat told
to get my ass -- and it wasn’t merely my son. This comes
from a number of sources:...
old fart, get off your dead ass and stop sitting there
stewing in your own juices and get the hell back out there
and talk about what you’ve been shown
and the things you’ve been told.
And I’ve said it repeatedly, the reason I’m getting
away with some of the things I’m getting away with is
that somebody there wants me to do what I’m doing.
Bob: And I’m to a point, Bill, now, without becoming
religious here, where I honest-to-God believe that I’ve
got good friends in high places.
Bill: Us too!
We’re still here!
right there with you, Bob.
Bob: Let me tell you something. You could not be accomplishing
what the two of you are doing unless what you’ve been
doing has been approved and encouraged by someone.
Kerry: Absolutely. We’ve
been told we have protection.
Bob: I’m not surprised. Well, I have! The reason
I’m here, honey, is that I’ve had a charmed life.
Kerry: I know. I know. Well they chose well, didn’t
Bob: Well, I look at you and I think you’re a pretty
good-looking chick. Yes, I think they chose pretty well. Now,
I’m surprised you associate yourself with old cowboys
like this one here. [pointing to Bill]
is going in the transcript. [laughter]
right. All right. This has been great. Thank you, Bob.
guys are leaving, I understand?
Kerry: Yes, we’re
on our way.
on our way out.
Bob: Well, it’s
always a pleasure to see both of you again.
a great pleasure, Bob. Thank you so much.
Bob: I feel like you’re
almost family now.
it feels like that.
give all our love to Marcia.
Bob: I will. I will indeed. And you take care. Where’s
your next stop?
Kerry: We’re going to Sedona. Right now.
Kerry: And we’ll
do some editing there, and then he goes back to Europe, and
I go to California.
how long are you going to be in Sedona?
little over two weeks.
Well, you have time to grab Peter Gersten.
He lives there.
Kerry: Well, OK. I’ve
met his wife, but I know Peter Gersten best.
unless he married her. I thought that they were living together.
They lived in the same apartment complex, actually, for a
interesting. You know him?
Bob: Oh, I’ve
known Peter for years.
you have to grab that one. Yes.
Kerry: All right. Good idea.
Bob: He’s one of the guys who said of me – and
I’ve always appreciated the compliment. He said: Bob
Dean is the only UFO researcher who never had a negative thing
to say about any other UFO researcher. He said: Bob,
I’ve never heard you say a negative thing about anybody.
I said: Well,
you just haven’t been listening closely! [laughter] I’ve
said a few!
If you can get hold of Peter Gersten, it would be worth it.
hear you. OK. I take your advice very seriously.
guys, be safe.
Bill: Oh, we’ll be safe. We’ll
got good friends in high places.
we have. Yes. You, too. And if you ever have a chance to
talk to the Guy Upstairs, tell him that we appreciate him
taking care of us. [laughs]
speak to him regularly. I have an open line, as good if not
better than the Pope.
Bill: I think you do. Well, the Pope may be talking to
somebody else. We don’t know that...
well, that Pope.
Bob: Well I would jokingly almost surmise... Well,
I will surmise that the Pope has representatives in
PI-40. He’s got representatives in the wise men who
gave him the country club.
I mean, he must have. He must have.
Kerry: Yes, that’s
what we hear. But that may not be a good thing.
Bob: Well, you know how it’s
weighed. You know, good thing / bad thing, the overall picture
is in the middle.
see you guys later.
right. Take care.
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