Kelley: Welcome to Paranexus Universe. It is Thursday, September
18, 2008. I’m your host Doug Kelley here with my co-host, Grant Rubendunst.
Grant: Hey, welcome everybody. We’re
really excited to have Bill and Kerry with us from Project
Camelot tonight. Yeah, and so, if you could, for the folks
in the audience who might not be as familiar with your wonderful
website and the great work you did, if you could just, maybe,
perhaps start out by telling us how you guys got together
and how this became such a passion for both of you.
Kerry Cassidy: Basically,
what happened was I was a frustrated writer.
Bill Ryan: She just basically just picked up a consumer-grade
camcorder and started talking to people, and I joined her just
a little bit over two years ago. We realized we had the same
vision. And to cut a very long story short, we’ve had
a very magical experience since then.
had the experience, and forgive the metaphor, we just walk
towards apparently blank walls and doors open to welcome
us into an incredible wonderland of opportunity, talking
to people who just a few short years ago when I was reading
UFO books in my spare time, I was thinking: You
know what? I would give a huge amount of money to
even being the same room with some of these people.
we are, we’re very closely connected with a
lot of them and we’re privileged to be collecting information
that starts to make sense of this great cobweb of secrecy which
I was referring to just now.
claim very little credit for anything that’s
happened. It seems to be happening around us. We’re part
of a larger team. There’s a real… Pardon my mixed
metaphors. There’s a real snowball that’s rolling.
Times are changing. The stories are coming
out. We haven’t been stopped in our work, which
is very significant. Given that The Powers That Be have got
the capability to squash us like a bug if they wanted to, they
have not done that. And we think that that is significant.
Because we do think the information we’ve presented is
valuable. And we’re in a position to present some of
that, depending on what you and your listeners would like to
focus on, in the next couple of hours.
being permitted to do this. And we
think that this may be helping The Powers That Be with the
problem that they’ve got, which is: How do they come
clean with this huge pile of secrets that they’re sitting
on? For a whole variety of reasons, it’s just got very,
very, very complicated.
And we started off just telling a few stories about ufo witnesses;
and Bill Hamilton; Gary McKinnon, the so-called Pentagon hacker;
a guy who we had contacted privately who was in an extraordinary
situation 20 years ago of being an archivist of classified
information, six months working in a vault with photographs
and documents and artifacts and films. And he came forward
to tell us what he had experienced.
So we thought: Wow,
this is incredible. We’ve got
a couple of witnesses here who are willing to say something
then we’ve gone into time travel; we’ve
got into what’s happening with a possible, potential,
catastrophe that we feel has been averted years ahead. Then
we got into issues connected with: OK, what is gonna be
happening in the next few years?
It’s all very interesting, talking about Roswell and
the kind of mess that Eisenhower, who was basically a good
man, may have got himself into in the early 1950s. But there’s
a lot of historical information which is really interesting
and not all that valuable unless we’re still back in
the so-called ufo dark ages when we’re trying to prove
that there’s something going on.
this is self-evident, that there are so many things going
on out there that aren’t reported on CNN. We’re
taking this as our starting point, that we have visitors,
that there are secrets, that the US military and the military
of other countries are in this up their necks and beyond; that
there are really complicated issues involving visits from future
humans, time travel, time loops, stuff connected with the Montauk
It’s very, very complicated, very interesting, very
important. And we’re living in critical times right now.
And as Grant said, I think, These are interesting times.
And one of the things that we find ourselves staring at almost
in real time as we talk to you, is information coming at us
about the kind of things that may be happening literally in
the next few weeks. And all of these things are connected.
that, I’ll step down from the podium from which
I’ve been talking [laughs], and allow you to steer this
along, because there’s so much to say.
Grant, you have a question?
G: One of the things I wanted to ask you, Bill, was… You
know, on your website you talk about, kind of, your thesis.
And I thought that was really fascinating. And I wonder if
you could kind of enlighten our audience, if you could give
them your perspective, kind of what you think, or an overview
on what you think is happening and what the consequences might
be. Because I think our audience may not be as familiar with
it as I am, and I find it absolutely fascinating.
B: OK, I will do my best. And the reason why I say that
is because these are complicated concepts, and it’s almost
the kind of thing that’s easier to present with a diagram
rather than on live radio. But here we go.
what we are reasonably convinced has happened, and it’s
a sort of a variation of, and an enlargement on, what could
be called conventional UFO understanding. So here we go.
B: [laughs] Very deep breath. We are given
to understand by two of our witnesses who did not know each
other, independent-testing me, one of whom is Dan Burisch who
is well-known to the UFO community, who we know well and who
we are totally satisfied that his credentials are good will
and very high connections; and another guy whose pseudonym,
which we gave him, is Henry Deacon, who has worked on the inside
for a large number of years. We know this guy very, very well.
And, just as an aside on that, a couple of weeks ago we started
a forum called the Project Avalon forum, not Project Camelot,
but Project Avalon. The two are closely connected,
and we’ll talk about that a little bit, too. And Henry
Deacon is very live on this forum. It’s an almost unique
situation where we’ve got a black-ops whistleblower who’s
actually answering questions in real time on our forum. And
we invite all our listeners to check into that. It’s
projectavalon.net. Click on the forum. Henry Deacon is right
Now, what these two witnesses say is that the Roswell visitors
were future humans from a future Earth. They were not extra-terrestrials,
they are extra-temporals. And they differ slightly
in the time period which they believe they came from. Dan Burisch,
from what I recall, says that he understands that they came
from 24,000 years in the future. Henry Deacon says he thought
it was more like 6,000 years in the future.
details are really unimportant, because this is such an important
concept to get. And the thing is that this was not… This crash was a HUGE screw-up, if you’ll
excuse my French here, because it was not to have happened.
of the things that was retrieved from the crash was a small
device which was a kind of… It was like a time
portal, time guidance, time travel, instrument which is way
beyond my capacity to describe in the English language. I wouldn’t
even know how to… I wouldn’t even know what to
call this thing.
consequences of this was that the US military, in 1947, they
got their hands on a device that enabled them to be able
to look into the future and manipulate time in various ways,
and to create a very… To make that complicated
story short, what happened was that then created a massive
amount of confusion, because it’s like giving a bunch
of kids a whole bunch of dynamite and detonators.
the mere thought of it, Bill, is kind of scary, you know,
the military tinkering with something like that in the 1940s.
B: Yeah. They were tinkering around… As
we are given to understand by both Burisch and Deacon, they
were tinkering around with this high-tech device in such
a way that it started to create loops and paradoxes in time.
And one of the issues that was prevalent there was that they
discovered fairly early on, both from their own investigations
using this device, and also from contact with future humans
from a different era, even further into the
future, is that in the future humans’ history, there
was a major catastrophe in the year 2012 or around 2012.
what the 2012 thing is all about. It’s about
an awareness that we have, and a historical record from the
future humans’ point of view, that from their historical
perspective, there was a major catastrophe that was a huge
civilization wipeout. It was a pole shift.
happened then… once again, to make this long
story very short… is that the US military did what they
do best and they started to dig in. They took defensive action
and they started to spend trillions of dollars on a whole network
of underground bases.
enough, in the future humans’ history,
this as exactly what was done. And after the catastrophe, half
of the human race stayed underground, half of the human race
left the planet, first to the Moon and Mars. They went off
in different direction and evolved in slightly different ways.
Now, the reason for this pole shift, so we are given to understand,
was that a certain kind of time-portal technology, which is
known in the vernacular as Looking-glasses, manmade
Looking-glasses and manmade Stargates, which both
used the same kind of technology. Stargates you travel
through. Looking-glasses you look through. And you
can look into time and you can look into space.
to the future humans’ history, these devices
amplified -- accidentally -- the effects of the Earth
moving through a particular region of energetic space in and
around the time of 2012. And this is what you read about all
over the net … we’ll have the Earth moving into
an area where it’s parallel with the plane of the…
of the Galaxy.
B: …the galaxy. Something to do with that. This
isn’t just complete hokum, although there’s a lot
of hokum talked about it.
a region of energetic space that the solar system starts
to move through, and is starting to move through,
and in the future humans’ timeline, these manmade Looking-glass
and Stargate devices amplified these energetic effects, which
is something to do with micro-wormholes in space, and caused
the entire Earth to wobble, just like knocking over a bowl
of soup in a restaurant, which created this huge wipeout.
And we’ve got all… Although it’s a paradox
and we haven’t kind of got there yet, the human race
has got this sort of future-perspective-ancestral-memory of
this thing. Everyone’s looking around thinking: My
god! You know, we’re in deep trouble, and what’s
this 2012 thing about? And people are talking catastrophes
and pole shifts.
almost impossible to find the right tense to
use in the English language. It’s like this did happen
in the future and the future humans came back and said: Listen,
we know why this happened, because it happened to us. If you
decommission or dismantle these Looking-glasses and Stargates,
then this won’t happen to you.
And then this creates a new, different, timeline. And we have
been credibly assured by Dan Burisch, who took part in a special
project last year, 2007, to check out whether the decommissioning
of the Looking-glasses and Stargates had actually been effective.
And his summary was that, yes, the catastrophe has been avoided.
This will not happen. But what they did see was a whole bunch
of other stuff which has been coming at us for the last 6 to
9 months. And this has focused our attention.
this intelligence probe - it’s a time portal
intelligence probe into the future - the catastrophic future
timeline which they called Timeline 2, that apparently is very
improbable now. That is, they are assured that this will not
What they did see
on Timeline 1, which is the non-catastrophic timeline… and it’s
Variant 83 which they saw. They had to call it something,
and there are a number of variants, and this has all got
to do with quantum probabilities.
saw was that before the US election in 2008 (and here we
are now!), there would be a war which would be launched that
then would be inherited by the next administration, the president
of which would be Hillary Clinton! … which
is interesting, because this doesn’t look to be the case.
There would have to be a lot of strange events occur for this
to the case. So it looks as if that timeline has been broken.
But for a long time this was not certain.
events on that Variant 83 of Timeline 1 are not only a war
against Iran, but an economic collapse which is associated
with that, and then an enormous mess which is pretty bad news
and certainly something to be avoided if at all possible, that
involves various nuclear exchanges… Pakistan, Russian,
China, a whole bunch of nasty stuff. Not the civilization-stopper,
but certainly something that involves quite a lot of hard times
in the next 18 months to 2 years.
since that news was discovered, as it were, various factions
have been trying to avert this, because we do have free will
and the future is not cast in stone. And the very first thing
that happened after this was discovered was that Mike McConnell
-- who’s a good guy and he’s the
Director of National Intelligence, the USDNI, as he’s
called -- he instructed his intelligence organization to publish
what is called the National Intelligence Estimate on the 3rd
of December last year  which stated that Iran was not
Now, that was not in the timeline that was seen, so this was
the first attempt to actually change things and to avert the
ever since then, there’s been in a push-me/pull-you
between the factions who actually want this war to
happen -- because they’re driven by all kinds of crazy
Illuminati prophecies about end times and Armageddon, and they
actually want this thing to happen.
As Dan Burisch has said in the past, that because for so many
years the politicians of the world have known what seems to
be lying ahead, based on this time portal information, they
have just been actors following a script, just following what
they kind of believe in a quasi-religious way is their destiny.
is really alarming, because where this destiny goes is somewhere
that doesn’t look like particularly good
news for the human race.
this point I’m gonna take another deep breath
here. I’m gonna stop and I’m gonna allow Kerry
to fill in all the gaps.
still with us?
K: Hi. Yeah. I am. Actually, I’m not really sure
where you want to go at this point, so I’ll let you ask
the questions and let’s, you know, let me try to answer.
D: Well, let’s do this. We’re getting close
to the bottom of the hour so we’re gonna take a short
break in just a minute and then we’ll come back from
the break and we’ll pick it up where we left off and
that’ll give you a chance to reset here a little bit.
we go to our break, I just want to welcome everybody in the
chatroom and everybody who is listening. We’re
glad you could take your time and join us tonight. A very interesting
discussion, a lot to come out of it yet. I think we’re
scratching the iceberg here. There’s a lot of questions
on this one. We’re very excited to have Bill Ryan and
Kerry Cassidy with us from Project Camelot. We’re gonna
pick up the discussion with them just as soon as we get back
from the break. They’ll hang with us. We’ll be
right back. [break]
And welcome back everybody. Doug Kelley here with Grant Rubendunst,
and we're talking with Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy from Project
Camelot. Welcome back, Bill and Kerry.
this is Kerry. And, just to recap for a second what we were
talking about before the break, we were talking about how
Timeline 1, variant 83 has been possibly changed.
moment the information we’re getting is that
actually the timeline is changing so rapidly that something
that was planned and in the works for a few months ago may
not be actually occurring the way people think it will, and
that goes for massive events. It goes for some of the weather
wars that are going on behind the scenes, and some of the plans
that are being made to launch attacks on Iran, and so on.
we have, in the last two months, just launched a new website
that’s sort of the sister website to Project
Camelot, called Project Avalon and you can go there. It’s projectavalon.net.
We have a forum there which is actually exploding and taking
off in an incredible manner. We had something like 13,000 visitors
in the first week or so. And then we’re
up to 2,000 users at the moment. That’s not counting
the people that just visit every day, but actual registered
all about building communities, finding safe places and networking
for the coming day that includes the future, creating a new
future, hopefully a new paradigm, from where we are now,
up to and beyond 2012.
just see 2012 as being just one day. We see we’re
in the throes of a complete global change and hopefully an
emergence of a different consciousness. And the old paradigm
is quickly destroying itself. And we plan to replace it. And
so we’re gonna do our bit here.
Camelot was all about stating the problem. And Project Avalon
is all about creating a solution. So we’re hoping
to continue along those lines.
the things with Project Avalon is also that we’re
making available resources for building communities and for,
you know, eco-friendly communities, anything you need to know
to set yourself up, and maybe a small group of people, in a
be Earth changes in the future. We’re having,
you know, some pretty heavy-duty storms, as you’re seeing
already, and there may be some escalations along those lies.
There certainly are weathers wars, so
even things that are naturally induced by the Earth itself
and some of the planetary and galactic changes that we are
going through are going to be aggravated by actual weather
technology which is being, I guess you might say, misused
by The Powers That Be, Russia, China, the US. So there’s
that aspect of things that you also have to be aware of.
D: Kerry, let me ask you a question. Are you saying
that the weather issues that we’ve been having in perhaps
recent years, or even this year, is the result of the weather
manipulation by the government powers?
K: Yes. I’m saying that in addition to the natural
changes that are going on, and that means, you know, things
going on with the sun although right now the sun has been incredibly
quiet, there have been some “hits” on both sides.
There’s a lot of thought that the Chinese earthquake
was a targeted hit, and Ben Fulford has come forward to talk
about that. We’ve got a recorded interview with him.
He’s also talked about that, I believe, on Rense.
hard to prove this sort of thing unless you get a black-ops
person coming forward. I have to say that, other than perhaps
Tom Bearden, there are not a lot of people out there that
are willing to come forward and talk about the weather wars
side of things.
That was one incident. The tsunami in Indonesia was apparently,
possibly, caused by an undersea hit, electromagnetic hit.
D: Well, what’s
the point? I mean, are they testing? Or are they actually
targeting these different areas? And if they are, for what
K: Well, from what we understand… I
mean, you have to sort of go back to Project Camelot and
drill down through all the different witnesses, but what
it comes down to is the Illuminati Agenda.
is encompasses is, in the short term… If
you want to look at what’s called the Iron
Mountain Report -- and we have had that substantiated by
Henry Deacon. We’ve
got a link to it on our site under Henry Deacon, but you can
also just do a search on the web for Iron Mountain Report.
Basically that lays out what WAS the Illuminati Agenda. And
that started somewhere back in, gosh, I don’t know, the ’60s
at least, and going forward.
what happened since then is that… And that
had to do with population reduction. That was the bottom line:
that the Earth was going to become overpopulated and they,
the people in control, wanted to get rid of what was said to
be 2/3 of the population.
Henry Deacon, who is one of our witnesses, has come forward
and talked about how he was given that report and told to sit
down and read it, digest it, and understand that We are
the wolves and they are the sheep. And this is what’s
further to that, and this kind of piggybacks on what Bill
had been talking about with the timeline changing, is Dan
Burisch saying that all bets are off, that the Looking-glasses
have been shut down, The Powers That Be no longer theoretically
are able to see their future (which was helping them make decisions,
right? They were able to select the best decision for their
own ego gratification and therefore move ahead.) … that
all the bets are off, at this point, with regard to that.
we have to say that this is the party-line that we’ve
been given. I have to say that it’s possible THE POWERS
THAT BE, being fairly devious, and certainly the Vatican is
part of all of this, possibly have other means by which to
see the future because it’s a technology that was taken
from cylinder seals, Sumerian, and before that from the ETs.
It also came, as Bill said, with the crash at either Roswell
or Kingman, whichever one you want to believe.
we’re saying here is that that timeline, the
timeline in which a catastrophe was in the works, nuclear war
definitely, and various other things, possibly has
I have to say here that recently we’ve had
communication with Dan Burisch in which he stated -- and he’s
put this on his own eaglesdisobey.net forum -- he says that
the Orions are up above the Earth sitting in ships with American,
possibly people, officers, from other countries (the Secret
Space Program), and they’re watching to make sure that
indeed the catastrophe does not happen.
sort of standing by on the off-chance that things take a
really dark turn. Certainly our economy is taking a dark
turn at the moment.
D: Could you just clarify real quick… this
catastrophe? Is it projected to be a certain time? Are we
talking 2012? Is there anything about that in this?
K: I mean… Well, it’s
the standard end of the Mayan calendar. Bill kind of outlined
the various events, one of which is a pole shift.
mixed information on this. As you know… Because
when we created Camelot, it wasn’t only about whistleblowers.
It became about truth-tellers getting word to us from,
you know, all kind of different places. And in fact we have
a scientist who we cannot name who came forward, who
has gone to work for -- I think I can say this safely enough
-- Homeland Security. He was called in to work for them. And
he came forward secretly to us and stated that there would be
a pole shift. There would be what I guess Ed Dames has called
a “kill-shot” from the sun, and I believe, a magnetic
pole shift as well.
was interesting is that we got a one-liner email. And we
get many, many one-liners from people, saying, you know: Great
job on your site. We really like what you’re doing. Good
luck to you guys. And we usually, you know, send a reply
saying: Hey thanks a bunch. But he signed himself
a name of somebody who I recognized. And I got back to him
saying: Are you who I think you are? [laughs] who
was a name that many of your listeners would recognize.
And he said: Yes. I am that person.
And he was responding to us privately. He hadn’t come
knocking at our door as a whistleblower; he just said, Hey look, you know, I
like your site. And we have had messages like that from
a lot of insiders, who just like seeing what we’re doing
because it does reflect many aspects of the truth in what they
see. And we checked his e-mail address, whether he was the
real guy, his IP address, and all that kind of verification.
So we found ourselves thinking: Hey,
to a guy who’s a brilliant scientist. We’ll just
ask him a question or two. And this was two years ago.
And the time span is really important because things have changed
We said to him, basically: What
do you know and what can you tell us about what’s
And he said: We’re in for a very tough time, and
I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news. He said
there will be three events in the next few years, starting
He said the first one would be a [#1] coronal mass ejection [from
the sun]. And he said: To see what I mean, look up the
event of 1859, which we did.
of 1859 was before the electronic era, of course, and this
was when the Earth was basically bombarded by massive fireworks
display from the sun which created auroral displays as far
south as the Equator in both hemispheres. It was incredibly
spectacular and everyone saw wonderful sunsets for a little
while. But it didn’t cause any damage because this was
before the time of chips and circuits.
Now, if this happened now, a lot of stuff will get burned
out. We would be OK. We’d see all the fireworks
but we wouldn’t be able to talk on Skype, our cell-phones
wouldn’t work, we wouldn’t have TV, we wouldn’t
have radio. Our cars would stop working because the electronic
management systems would burn out. Planes would fall out of
the sky. The only things that …
that’s a bit apocalyptic! Planes might fall
out of the sky if the coronal mass ejection was strong enough.
This parallels what Kerry described just now as Ed Dames having
talked about what his team of remote viewers had seen in reference
to a ‘Kill-shot’.
scientist who contacted us wasn’t talking
about people getting fried by solar flares. What he was saying
is that there is going to be something here that’s going
to influence our electronics all over the world.
Then he said that there would a [#2] magnetic pole reversal
which we’re given to understand is already in progress.
And it doesn’t affect our everyday lives very much, but
it causes whales and dolphins to end up getting lost and beaching
themselves in the wrong place.
And it causes all kinds of interesting effects on our minds,
the way that we think, because we are electromagnetic biophysical
beings, at least at the physical level, and as the Earth’s
magnetic field starts to go through its various fluctuations,
we are all affected behaviorally by this, which is
very, very, very interesting. As that destabilizes, we destabilize
as well emotionally at least to some degree, to the
degree that, you know… We are spiritual beings operating
this body through the interface of our brains, which is an
electromagnetic environment, essentially.
And then finally, he said, [#3] the pole shift.
like a kind of a slam-dunk, yeah? And now, he said this before we
got the news from Dan Burisch in 2007, as a result of the decommissioning
of the Stargates and Looking-glasses, that the pole shift had
been averted. So this is not contradictory information. It
just confirms, basically, that this was what was in the cards
at that time in 2006.
And what’s really interesting is, you know, how come
a brilliant scientist, whose name is well-known in the public
arena, is contracted to the Department of Homeland Security?
I mean, that’s really interesting. And of course, as
an Englishman, I couldn’t really understand this at first.
a number of my American friends helped me to understand that
the Department of Homeland Security… This is like
a very innocuous name for basically an over-riding intelligence
organization that’s senior to just about everything else,
and is handling not just issues of immigration and border control,
but major, major areas of anything that’s related to
national security. And it’s just got an innocuous name
that looks like it was invented by George Orwell.
my enlargement on that.
G: The thing that’s so frightening about that
is, if all of our electronic systems go down, it’s going
to disrupt everything globally, the banking system, everything.
Certainly what’s going on now is not good, but if we
have something of that magnitude, that’s going to cause
an incredible collapse of just about everything.
K: Right. Well, actually Henry Deacon has come forward
and has been talking to us about this electromagnetic “shot” that
will happen at some point. And he actually says it will be
induced by The Powers That Be, or could be. And he talks about
safeguarding your electronics by wrapping them in aluminum
foil and burying them in the dirt. [laughs] And on top of that,
even cars navigate and are run by computers, so you have to
understand how far-reaching this really is.
And then, at the same time, we had Dan Sherman, even before
that, come forward, and talked about being actually, you know,
genetically engineered by the ETs and the US government to
be an ET interpreter, trained as an interpreter by the military,
to operate during that time, this unique time, when the electromagnetic
grid would go down.
It’s unclear how long it’ll be down for, but one
assumes that if you’re gonna train a group of ET communicators… And
one might want to delve into why you’d need ET communicators when
you have electromagnetic grid shut-down. That means that THE
POWERS THAT BE are going to be communicating with the ETs during
that time. And they have no other way to do it except psychically,
with what are in essence trained psychics.
And that’s what Dan Sherman was. So he rebelled. He
became a whistleblower. And you can find his website. I believe
it’s called aboveblack.com.
rate, when we get information, it often becomes substantiated
from more than one place, and so this idea of an electromagnetic
breakdown of the grid has been substantiated from a number
of different angles, people who don’t know anything about
you guys got any idea as to how folks, THE POWERS THAT BE,
the Illuminati or whatever, are planning on maintaining their
own survival, for perpetuating their staying on top of the
heap, so to speak?
K: Our understanding, again, is the underground bases
is what they’ve provided for themselves. And this fits
in with what Dan Burisch talked about in terms of the future
humans coming back and saying that a certain group of humanity
goes underground. I mean, there are huge underground
cities that have been built for the time when the sun would
become overactive, for the shift on the planet…if we
have such a thing as a pole shift. So all of these things have
been provided for, again, by The Powers That Be, and they’re
well aware of it.
is, for them, in essence, is that the things that they were
planning for don’t seem to be in the works
any more, for a number of reasons, one of which is that the
consciousness on the planet is changing, and that we, because
we are co-creators of our own destiny, are able to affect the
future of what is happening. And that as humanity wakes up
-- and this is what our whole quest on Camelot was all about,
was to wake up as many people as possible, to get onboard and
know what was really going on, break through the matrix, if
you will -- such that we can actually change the program.
that seems to be happening. We’ve gotten several
indications that it is. However, there are also very strong
indicators that at the moment we are approaching a
very important time --which is right now through the month
of October -- in which The Powers That Be may want to do something
drastic in order to coalesce their power and stay afloat, at
least in the United States. That would be the Neocon faction.
And that they apparently…
If you listen to our recent audio interview with David Wilcock,
he gives a wonderful summation of what went down in Georgia,
and how the Israelis had planned to attack Iran from Georgia,
and how that plan was actually worded, and how the Russians
got hip to that.
have to understand that within the US military and the whole
Neocon faction you’ve also got MJ12, and you’ve
got elements which are onboard with the Illuminati Agenda and
are trying to make the depopulation through war, through disease,
through Earth changes, whether they’re provoked or allowed
to just happen. There’s one group like that.
you also have what is called often by our people, the “White Hats” who will work behind the scenes
to try to make sure that these things don’t happen the
way The Powers That Be would like them to.
D: Kerry, so these White Hats are…?
K: Apparently they’re generals in the military.
They’re people like… Mike McConnell could be termed
a white hat. Certainly Dan Burisch would be termed a white
hat. [Mike McConnell] is the one who came forward with the
National Intelligence Estimate that ruined George Bush’s
plans to paint Iran as, you know, having nuclear weapons that
undermined it. Sure. Thank god!
K: Exactly. Now, there are always, you know, there’s
a punch/counter-punch, as you can imagine. If you watch the
news, you can actually watch this happening in the various
reports. As controlled as the media is, you can still watch
their, sort of, roll-out and read between the lines if you
become skilled at it, and if in essence you have the kind of
backdrop of what Camelot has investigated --and, you know,
numerous other, certainly, researchers and investigators, like
Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, both of whom we plan to be interviewing
in the next week or so at the Bay Area UFO Conference.
D: Very interesting stuff. Kind of leaves you pondering
a lot of things. And I definitely need to go spend some time,
more time… I’ve watched some of your videos, but
not enough, I don’t think. If you’ll hang with
us, we’re going to be back with Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
of Project Camelot. So hang tough, we’ll be back in just
a few. [break]
back everybody. We’re into our second hour
tonight. This is Doug Kelley here with Grant Rubendunst.
This is an interesting conversation, huh Grant?
G: Absolutely. Welcome everybody. We’re happy
to have you. And we’ll be taking your calls. We welcome
your calls and any questions you might have in the chatroom.
D: Sounds good. And we’re of course talking with
Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot. Welcome back
to the program. What’s gonna be coming up in the near
B: Oh boy! Right! What’s
gonna be coming up in the near future?
start with an anecdote. It’s one of these little
anecdotes that’s quite a good place to start. This is
an email that we got two days ago and it was on the back of
a whole bunch of emails that we got a little bit earlier on
in the summer, from somebody, a regular person. And there are
lot of regular people who are very alert and aware, who follow
our work, watch our site, and who know people in high places
or in the intelligence agencies, so they say.
We were first contacted by this person in July, who said that
he had a friend in the alphabet agencies who we had reason
to believe was fairly senior. who said that if they were going
to be deployed to the Middle East, then war would be a done
deal. Unquote. That war was a certainty.
just quoting that because those were the words he used.
is war with Iran, just to clarify that.
And we got an email two days ago saying that this guy had
been deployed to the Middle East. So…
K: Actually, he’s being deployed this week. [The
email] was a few days ago, so it was “next week” and
now it’s this week.
So we have a blog on the front of Project Camelot that we
now keep, because one of the things we realized that we had
to do was to take the backlog of information that we have as
Camelot and help people to use that to interpret news events
that are going on.
to be able to report other whistleblowers and people that
report information to us that’s not long enough
for, say, an interview or even a whole page, but is sometimes
very key information telling people what’s happening
and what may be happening very soon. So that’s our blog
on the first page of Project Camelot. So it’s a good
place to check in and see what’s really new.
continue, Bill, why don’t you tell how the information
about October is actually starting to really stack up.
B: Yeah. It’s starting to stack up. And the analogy
that I use is that of data points on a graph. It’s like,
if you are collecting information and you’re plotting
it on a graph -- and I say this because I’m a trained
scientist quite a long time back. But if you get data-clustering,
then it means something. This is not random. You start
to see a shape forming. You start to see trends forming.
seen this data-clustering pointing towards October for quite
a while. And this e-mail that we got just a couple days ago
is just the latest confirmation.
It’s like, well OK, the guy’s gone to the Middle
East. You know … Ohhh … you know. What does this
mean? I won’t swear now, but I did when I read the e-mail.
To go back … Now this is interesting because there
are interesting points that come to this. We were contacted
in May 2007 -- that’s pretty much 18 months ago now --
by somebody who was… We weren’t contacted directly,
but we were contacted by an intermediary for somebody who was
associated with one of the Montauk Projects, who was involved
in the Montauk Project in 1984. And this another whole area
which you can do two-hour show on just that alone.
Projects, we are assured, were real. They had to do with
time travel, time manipulation, all the mess of stuff that
I was talking about in the first hour. And this guy… In
1984, one of the things that they were doing, was they were
messing around as I was describing, using technology that
they barely understood, with fixing up, manipulating, and
peering into, over the time horizon, into future timelines.
guy said that for years he had been talking about what he
recalled from that project, that in 2007, 2008, there would
be two main markers of that time period, one of which would
be food riots, OK? And we got this, as I said, in May 2007.
We didn’t publish this information because we didn’t
believe him. We thought: Food riots? People are gonna think
we’re crazy. And we sat on that information.
The other component of what he said besides the food riots,
was he made reference to what he called the King George
Scenario. And this was in 1984 he heard it. And King
George refers to George Bush. They knew about him as the
future president in 1984, 16 years before he was elected. And
they called it the King George Scenario because kings
aren’t elected. Kings get to stay in power all the time,
and they never step down after 8 years.
The King George Scenario apparently was that some
event would occur before George Bush, before his term of office
ended, that would actually create the need, the false need,
or the fake need or whatever, for him to stay in power.
And we’re still waiting for this. OK.
This may or may not happen because timelines do change.
But in the metaphor told us by another one of our witnesses,
Jim Sparks -- who is a multiple, almost all-the-time, fully-conscious
abductee, who was told a whole bunch of stuff by his abductors,
and shown some pretty alarming pictures of a potential Earth
given to understand that time is like a huge river. You think
about like the Nile or the Mississippi or the Amazon, just
this giant river that’s flowing along and we’re
flowing down it. And it flows in a direction. And you can change
the flow of this river with enough energy, but it’s always
gonna want to keep on flowing in the direction which has been.
You can change it, but it’s not easy. If you
just lob a few rocks into it, it’s not going to make
any difference. It needs to be a big-time change. And you can
even divert it, but it still wants to flow back in the direction
in which it was flowing in the first place. It’s kind
of got its own inertia.
And so are watching to see whether this timeline has changed.
In the meantime, our contact is expecting this to happen.
stories here, because I was talking to Henry Deacon about
this. Henry Deacon is our black-ops insider source that we
were talking about in the first hour. He knew about timelines,
he knew about the future human stuff, he knew about the Roswell
catastrophe … catastrophe because of the time device
that was recovered in the crash which then they started tinkering
with to create all these time loops and paradoxes that have
not yet been resolved.
to him… I was talking to him about what Dan
Burisch referred to as Timeline 1, Version 83 and saying: You
know what? At least the timeline has changed, because it doesn’t
look like Hillary is going to be president. She’s off
the ticket. She’s not even the vice presidential candidate
to Obama. This is not gonna happen.
Henry said: You know what? I feel really uneasy about
this because of something I read many years ago.
And I said: What are you talking about?
And he said: You
know, I can’t remember, but I read
this. I read that Hillary was off the ticket but something
really weird would happen and she would end up back on the
ticket again. And it was connected with the election being
postponed for a couple of months.
I just had these chills going down my spine.
B: Now, I’m just reporting a conversation that
I had, and Henry could not remember the details, because, as
happens with many people behind the curtain of black-ops, they’re
exposed to documents, they’re exposed to plans. Some
of these things do change.
But the thing that is so hard to believe and so alarming
to believe is that many of these global events are orchestrated
and choreographed years or even decades before.
who we don’t know and we haven’t
talked to, but many of your listeners will know, who worked
closely with Wernher von Braun, went on record with the Disclosure
Project, is saying that she learned about the invasion of Iraq
in 1991 (Operation Desert Storm) back in the 1970s. She
sat in on meetings where this was being planned and being discussed.
thing is being choreographed right from the beginning. That’s just one little example. And so we’re
left with this snippet of extraordinary information, Henry
know what? Just watch out, because if something were to happen,
Hillary’s back on the ticket.
why I made reference to what Jim Sparks said about the flow
of time being like a giant river… you can divert
it, but you better keep it in place with a lot of energy. Otherwise
it’s going to try to head back to where it was flowing
and where it wants to flow in the first place, like water flowing
is on the ticket, there’s good reason to
believe that we’re all in a great deal of trouble, because
what happens after that is a whole bunch of nuclear exchanges.
Now we’ve got George Green, who we haven’t yet
spoken about in this conversation. George Green, for those
of your listeners who don’t know him… He was an
ex-Air Force engineer. He was in banking. He was in construction.
He was in politics. He has a lot of friends in high places.
And he is also somebody who has been in contact with the Pleiadians
and other extra-terrestrial sources, for quite a number of
years. He has a very unique résumé, as it were.
And he’s been talking about this stuff for quite a while.
the things that inspired us to create Project Avalon was
because George Green said that in his communications that
he has received from the Pleiadians -- the Pleiadians being
off planet, human-appearing, benevolent, extra-terrestrials;
maybe they come from another place in time, we don’t
know. But he gets a lot of information from them. He said that
it’s almost too late. This is what he said. Almost too
late. And he made references to a bunch of people he calls “the
ground crew.” He wrote a little book which… He
almost kind of took this book by dictation, which is available
on his website for free. It‘s called Messages for
the Ground Crew.
have the URL for that?
B: Yes, it’s
K: It’s actually a set of three books. Another
one’s called Embracing the Rainbow. Another
one’s called Handbook for the New Paradigm.
The first one he wrote with the aid of the Pleiadians is Handbook
for the New Paradigm and that was the one that actually
talked about people getting ready, moving into rural areas,
establishing small communities -- basically what we’re
attempting to do now with Project Avalon to provide a network
where that sort of thing can happen.
But I have
to say this book was written several years ago. So he was
way ahead of the curve. And now what his communicators are
telling him is that we… the time is actually past
for educating people, that we are getting very close to the
time when these events would actually start to happen.
And they do talk about a war behind the scenes between their
faction, the Pleiadians and various other benevolent ETs, and
the negative-oriented entities that are out there working with
the US military among other groups, certainly the Vatican.
So you see there is a scenario behind the scenario that you
actually have to keep in mind.
But at any rate, we are getting information and George is
one of the people that has been talking about the whole economic
downturn. He has predicted this very accurately, what is even
as we speak, what is happening here this month. We were told
September would be the month. And sure enough, it appears to
be when the economy would begin to crash very seriously.
been told by him a year ago to put all our money in gold
or silver and get it out of the market. We followed his advice.
Once upon a time that was really good advice. I have to say
that unfortunately The Powers That Be seem to be hitting
the gold and silver markets very seriously the last month,
which was another indicator that something big was coming along,
because they were driving down the price of gold, one might
think so that they could, I guess, get into the market, and
then be prepared for what’s happening right now in which
gold and silver are now starting to go back up. We’ve
got Michael St. Claire also talking about these sorts of things,
by the way.
is happening, what we’re looking at right now,
is information we’re getting from a lot of different
sources and it all is coming together around the month of October,
basically saying that in the month of October there seems to
be some event that seems to want to be taking place. It’s
not gonna be a positive event. I wish I could say it was, but
it will have something to do with either postponing the election
or making it such that the Neocons will get their sort of agenda
back on track after their debacle of Georgia. And we don’t
know what the event is, so we can’t actually say anything
about… too much about that.
you want to say anything about Hawkeye, Kerry? Tell them
about Hawkeye, our source.
K: OK, well Hawkeye is sort of a whistleblower from
within the Illuminati. He calls them “The Roths.” [laughs]
And he says that… Well, I can’t… I have
to be very careful as to how much detail I go into because
we do want to protect him. We published a lot of information
from him on our blog which is, again, on the front page of
was basically telling us all the same things that Henry Deacon
was telling us, that we were getting from other sources,
George Green, and a number of other deep black sources. And
he’s a very interesting guy. He’s written us, I
think, for the past year, and we’ve got a huge score
of emails from him, basically telling us it’s getting
closer. The time’s getting closer. Their agenda is being
of view is that the… Whatever the White Hats
are trying to do, they’re actually not gonna be successful.
I have to say that because of his position, because he feels
so oppressed, if you will… He’s, you know, heavily
monitored. He used to work for the Illuminati. Basically he’s
had to buy into their scenario. He believes their power is
pretty much a done deal.
B: What he said is that there would be a major event
that he said, basically… I mean, he used very dramatic
language. He said it would be the coup d’etat for
the human race and he said this would in the first 10
days of October.
K: Right. And what’s weird about that is there’s
also this halfpasthuman website that’s also doing data
mining on the web, using language and computers to create… I
guess they’ve been doing a whole layout like a graph
of where people are at and certain events. And they did it
for 911. They predicted accurately the recent resignation within
a day of Mushariff. We are hoping to possibly interview them.
I know they’ve been interviewed by Rense. But there’s
a lot of information on their site about October.
another little ingredient that just came to us recently,
which is, the Arlington Institute has apparently been alerted
somehow and they’re a think-tank, one would say, for
certain factions of the American government, certainly, in
which they are collecting now data, and asking for dreams and
visions of people pertaining to the month of October.
So we’re getting such a coalition of evidence and information
from so many different sources about this particular timespan.
I myself have had a dream, a prophetic dream, if you will. We’re
going to be interviewing Miriam Delicado who has a website
called alienbluestar.com. And she is a contactee from the Pleiadians
as well, and she has been getting information about October.
So we don’t know what the event is. We do know that
it could be something to do with postponing the election. We
have heard that it is some kind of massive event, on the order
of a 911-type of thing, however we don’t know what.
G: Let me ask either one of you about this catastrophe.
Is it just some time in October? Is that what you’re
getting or hearing? Or are you getting anything about that?
Is that what I’m understanding here?
K: Well, we have to say that we’re
not getting a specific date.
D: Well, you’re
K: Half Past Human is
saying they have gotten… They’ve
charted it down to actually a date which is October 7th. What
we’re getting is that it’s sometime in the month
of October, and that there’s a build-up that has already
said that, our source, Hawkeye, specifically said the first
ten days of October, which is an alarming correlation in
G: Which is really interesting, guys, because if you
look the developments that have been going on. It was in the
news today about Iran has once again, you know, thumbed their
nose at the European community about nuclear testing, about
proceeding with developing their nuclear abilities. And then,
of course, we have the Pakistanis being very upset with the
Americans who are launching commando raids into Pakistan. It
just seems like, you know, maybe the pieces are falling into
place here, you know, especially in light of what’s been
going on in Georgia as well.
K: Well, you guys had asked us during the break if we
could talk about why we’re being able to get information
out there, and if we’ve been attacked in any way.
D: And that’s a great question. Let’s hang
on to that one for just a moment. We’re coming down to
the bottom of the hour, the last half hour. Man, this time
has gone fast. Jeepers! [break]
In the remaining time that we have, what would you like to
say? What message would you really like to get out there? And
I do have a question after you go.
B: First of all, I’m
a Brit, as you can tell. And during the Second World War
the Brits experienced something which they called The Spirit of the Blitz.
And The Spirit of the Blitz was a community spirit
that arose spontaneously in London when it was being bombed
by the Germans.
The authorities didn’t have to do as
much as they might have had to do because the citizens did
it themselves. The citizens took care of each other; they took
care of each other’s medical needs; they took each other
into their homes when their homes had been wrecked. They put
out fires. They provided food and water for each other.
spirit was incredibly strong. This is -- if you don’t
mind my waving our Union Jack here -- this is one of the
reasons, and with American help of course, the Nazis were
Now, we’re more vulnerable now than we have ever been
before because that community spirit -- in the days of the
internet where people are partially connected by technology
but also partially disconnected by it -- we’re living
in an age where we don’t know our neighbors. We don’t
know the people who live on the other side of that anonymous
door on the other side of the corridor in our apartment block.
We don’t really live in communities in the way that
we used to. We’re much more isolated. We’re much
more mobile. And even the family unit isn’t as strong
as it used to be. And this is our weakness.
to Project Avalon, what we’re trying to do
there is, we’re trying to rekindle the spirit of community,
because that would be the strength if times become
tough. We’re much more likely to be able to have a smooth
ride through whatever the next few years brings for us if we
know who our neighbors are, if we are in touch with our families,
if we forget our little squabbles and we learn how to work
together with people who maybe we might have trivial disagreements
with or whom we decide we don’t like.
communities don’t have to be avant garde communities
like Findhorn or Esalen or Damanhur or any of these other places.
It could be a street, or it could be a district, or a city,
or it could be a small bunch of people in an area who know
that they can count on each other if things are difficult.
is what George Green, who I was talking about half an hour
ago, referred to when he talked about the Ground Crew, that
there are some people out there who will not listen to any
of these problems. They won’t be woken up. I mean
them no disrespect, but they’re NOT awake and alert to
what is happening, but other people are. And the people who
are listening to this show, by default these will be those
people who are at the front line, and who are listening. They’re
thinking: What can I do? What can I do? Everyone’s
situation is different.
On Project Avalon which we formed so we could create solutions,
we have a forum which is exploded into the most extraordinary
activity, thousands of viewers in just a few days.
are people there… There are whole threads
on this forum which are devoted to groups getting together,
people saying: Hey, listen, I’m in Idaho; who else
in Idaho? Or: I’m in New Zealand; who else is
in New Zealand? Or: I’m in the Bronx and I’m
stuck here, is there anyone else in New York? I want to know
who you are because I want to know who I can trust.
people are getting together. They’re forming
groups, they’re forming networks, they’re making
plans and establishing meeting places.
doesn’t have to be like negative catastrophic
thinking, because these are good things to happen even if nothing
bad goes down. And so, to some degree, it is about
a renaissance. It is about a reconnection. It is about
people connecting with each other and rebuilding the kind of
society and the kind of networking that is the sign of a healthy society.
We’re finding that our society is not as healthy as it
used to be in the past. And if these threats of geopolitical
events spur us on to talking to people we’ve forgotten
how to talk to, then that’s actually no bad thing.
And the other thing I want to say, must more briefly than
I have just said, is that we create our own future. As the
Buddhists say: We are dreamers that are dreaming each others’ dreams. All
of this is a very solid-looking dream that we find ourselves
And the future is not written in stone despite all this high
technology that we were talking about, to do with timelines
and timeline variations. They exist probabilities and possibilities.
And we can create any future that we want, any future that
we choose, and we human beings have the ability to do this.
Bill Birnes, who is the editor of UFO Magazine and
a very well-respected UFO researcher… at the end of
his life he interviewed Admiral George Hoover before he died.
D: Bill Birnes didn’t
die. Major Hoover…
B: Admiral Hoover died. And before he died, Admiral
Hoover told Bill Birnes what all this secrecy was REALLY all
about. And it was really fascinating, because it’s like,
well, OK, so some guys crashed in 1947. They had a weird aircraft
and they looked at bit funny… and why is this secret?
Birnes was told by Hoover that it’s not about
the visitors. It’s not about their technology. It’s
not even about the information that they brought with them
about our future and other things.
He said that the biggest secret is the fact that we
human beings are more powerful than we have ever dreamed
that we are. That is the biggest secret. We don’t
know our own power. And The Powers That Be don’t want us
to know our power, and we are being kept in the dark.
Admiral George Hoover, ONI ... said he KNEW that these
entities were not so much interplanetary, but
they were literally time travelers, and the big
secret is that they were us from the future.
And that we and they have the same powers, and that
was the real fear of the government: that we have the
ability to manipulate reality around us. We've always
had that ability, we just didn't know how to use it...
We are being educated that we are animated hunks of meat,
that we are here by accident with no spiritual heritage, no
purpose, no meaning to our lives. And that this is not true.
And that if this secret got out, then it would be so easy
to end this game that’s been in place for thousands of
years with the Illuminati and the Luciferian Satanists that
are running the show.
us to believe that we are powerless. And we are NOT powerless.
And that’s the message that I want to
leave your audience. So I’m going to step down from my
soapbox there [laughs] and Kerry can have the last few words.
K: That’s absolutely what we believe and how we
try to live our lives. What is most important is to reach a
ratio of the number of awake minds on the planet that have
broken free of the matrix. And who begin to understand what
powerful co-creators we are. And then all we have to do is
unite with a vision for the positive future that we’d
like to see for ourselves. And that’s when we will begin
to change and turn the tide.
And I have
to say that I think what’s happening now
is that that’s actually what’s going on. And we
hope that Project Camelot and Project Avalon are all part of
that scenario which is unfolding.
our planet is going through a major consciousness
change. We're entering a place where we can create whatever
we think. Therefore, be careful what you think! Be careful
what you desire, because you will see it manifest quite instantly.
this is part of a new future that we have at our fingertips,
really. And what is happening with the timelines that we’ve
been describing and the fact that suddenly all bets are off
and suddenly they changed so quickly that plans that have been
in place for years and years by The Powers That Be and their
minions -- which is just average people feeling that they are
powerless, giving their power over to the ruling class, and
allowing them to manipulate them -- if they take their power
back and begin to rethink what it is we’re doing here
on the planet. Because this is a grand experiment and the reality
is that we are all spiritual beings much far beyond our physical
you know, excellent, excellent information. We are now down
to less than 2 minutes remaining, and wow, you know, a lot
of stuff to think about, a lot of information! And you guys
have just been incredible. Let me repeat the websites: projectcamelot.org
and projectavalon.net. For a forum of discussions on similar
topics, these same topics and others, please visit the websites
that Bill and Kerry have. Donate to their cause. Help them
to continue their work.
also invite you to visit paranexus.org -- we’re
a professional association of paranormal researchers -- as
well as our database, paranexus.net.
want to say thank you to all of our listeners. I think we
blew away our highs from before. We’ve had an
awesome lot of listeners tonight, an amazing number. We really
appreciate you taking your time.
Grant, amazing, huh?
G: Absolutely! And Bill and Kerry, it was a real pleasure
to have you on the show, and you know, if time permits we’d
certainly like to have you come back in the future to continue
putting the message out there. The work that you do is wonderful
and truly appreciated. I wish I could share with you all the
comments, the wonderful comments, we’ve got in the chatroom
about how much folks appreciate the hard work that you do.
So thank you so very much. It’s been a real, real pleasure
and we’d like to get together with you folks again some
D: We are at the end of our rope here on the program,
folks. Thanks again so much. You have a great night. We’ll
see you next week. Goodnight.
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