Marcia Schafer : Ground Crew 101
Phoenix, Arizona, September 2008
Marcia Schafer: … But
instead of being terrified, we’ve got to learn to let
go of the things that may not have mattered so much, when
we thought they did, and get ready for tremendous new opportunity
to build things the way that they should be built to allow
us to live in a society that will benefit us in a new way.
Kerry Cassidy (KC): I’m Kerry Cassidy
from Project Camelot, and we're here with Marcia Schafer.
And she’s going
to be telling us a little bit more about the future, possibly.
She has written a wonderful book and she can talk about that.
And tell us what’s been going on for the past year.
Marcia Schafer (MS): Well, thank you for that
wonderful introduction [laughs]. What’s
been really intriguing in the past year is to see the progression
of where people were and where they have come to in such a
What I do as a business consultant is that I work with people
around the world, probably in 14 countries at this point, and
I give them both hard business skills to get ahead, but also
some spiritual, mystical, and esoteric knowledge so that they
can reposition themselves to really be a new leader for the
tomorrow that we need to have.
So I’m basically planting human seeds, by giving them
skills they need to walk into a world, to build a different
type of future than the one that seems to be being handed off
And it’s been amazing to see the scope of the people
who are intrigued by this and want more -- because it’s
not just the New Age realm and esoteric people. There is an
entire subgroup of people waking up, making the people who
are already aware of these types of things… Their demographic
group, thus, is becoming enhanced.
Because it’s like you have that “middle swing
vote”? Well, the middle swing vote is making a difference
and making a decision. And they’re delving very heavily
into wanting to know all about this greater reality, this great
unknown that’s out there. What does it mean?
So, how many people at this point have had an esoteric experience
like: I think I saw a ghost, or: I saw something
in the sky, and they want to know more about it. They
want to know more about life’s great questions, as to Why
are we here? and What does my life mean? and
have meaning. So we delve into the soul aspects.
But then we go into stage two and reposition them: OK.
So you have all this information. Now what are you going
to do about it to make a difference?
Because that’s why we’re all here today at this
time, is to make a difference, to help to turn a strategic
corner on this planet. And they really embrace that, and are
taking it very seriously.
And they are moving so fast in terms of their knowledge and
awareness that some of these people are just blowing my mind.
You know, between a week of I’m curious, and
then they call back the next week when they have a subsequent
appointment and say: I’ve been out of my body. [laughs] I
had this experience. I think there was an extraterrestrial
here. Or something.
MS: And they need answers.
MS: So where do you go for answers? I mean, it’s
not like you can really go to Wikipedia all the time
to find it, [laughs] or, you know, call a friend or something,
so. . .
KC: Well, I could recommend they go to Camelot, for
MS: Excellent! Yes. We will do that. [laughs]
KC: That’s great. So you’re working with
executives at companies. Is this right?
MS: I’m working with executives at companies.
I’m working with, just, lay people, housewives.
KC: Oh my.
MS: I’ve got clients that range from 16 to 92,
and everything in between.
KC: Well, how do they find out about you?
MS: You know, I just find it amazing. They just find
me. I have never advertised or marketed. And you’ll often
hear me say that Google and God are my marketing directors.
[laughs] They just find me. It’s like when the London
Sunday Times found me, and I go: How on earth did
you ever find me?
KC: That’s right.
MS: And they said: We found you on the internet. They
just did a search.
KC: So, would you call yourself, like, a personal coach?
MS: No. Absolutely not. The reason why is that my executive
background and my academic credentials are pretty substantial.
MS: And so, you know, it may be the ego, but I worked
hard for them, and I like to take credit for them. So I have
a tremendous amount of knowledge. I’m not just coaching
MS: I’m giving them hands-on experience that you
only get when you’ve really been in certain positions
at the top of an organization.
MS: And, you know, I’ve had the professional training,
but… I mean, my God I have an MBA, but I think so does
George Bush, so anybody can get an MBA! Forgive me.
MS: Can we edit that out? But, you know, the fact of
the matter is there is a lot of knowledge I have hands-on that
really saves them a lot of time and money in terms of when
they’re really trying to get repositioned as to: What
am I going to do here with this business?
Real information, not just motivational coaching… Not
denigrating motivational coaching, because there is part of
that in there, keeping people focused. And it’s an important
But really tangible, technical skills, and inside knowledge
that you don’t get unless you’ve been inside an
industry. And I’ve worked across a span of industries
that I can help them get positioned. But really they’re
mostly hungry for… They like that. But the esoteric
KC: That’s what I was going to say. But in terms
of hands-on, in a sense… I mean you’re a contactee.
KC: You’re also, I don’t know how you want
to term it, but you’re intuitive, psychic.
KC: So you must give them entrée into certain
worlds that maybe they’re already being in touch with?
KC: I mean, are the people coming to you, people that
have a background already in, you know, having anomalous experiences
in their life? Possibly even abduction experiences? Whatever… contact
experiences, however you want to call it? Or are they people
that are just, you know, the blank slate coming to you saying: I
know nothing, you know, Enlighten me?
MS: Yes, yes, and yes. It’s amazing. I tend to
say that I work with “reincarnated initiates” primarily,
the people who are really here to be the teachers.
KC: Oh, all right.
MS: But, at the same time, I’d say 20 – 25%
of the people who come to me are just awakening and dipping
their feet in. However, what they soon discover is, they’ve
had a lot of teaching in other lifetimes. And so, we kind of
rip the veil away so that they can access that information
and be catapulted pretty far ahead of the game…
MS: …by getting into those other training sessions
from other lifetimes.
KC: But are you able to tap into their reincarnation
history, to some degree?
MS: Definitely. Yeah. I can even look
at a picture, by proxy. That’s how I work with people
around the world. And the way I found out was quite by accident.
A woman once handed me a picture of her daughter at lunch,
and I said: Did
you know there’s a man standing next to her that you
can’t see? And I described him. And I said he was
in the shoe industry.
She said: My God! That’s my father. He’s been
dead for two years.
MS: And so I also can see your soul path and your reincarnational
journeys. So I just use the photos for people and animals and
tap right in to them.
KC: OK. So the same thing that you have access to with
animals, you’re tapping into with humans?
MS: Yeah. It’s a lot faster. I have to work a
lot harder with the animals than I do with the humans. [laughs]
MS: So that gives me information. So then your life
work becomes your work life, which is very
self-fulfilling, rather than just going and thinking: OK,
I’m going to go on an interview and work for somebody
else. Or, I want to be an entrepreneur.
But people are afraid. And that’s the biggest thing
that people have to overcome, is their fear, whether the fear
of the unknown, fear of going forward and being an entrepreneur;
fear of, you know: Was that an alien that I saw?
If you have information, then there goes the fear. It’s
just not knowing what to expect that strips people of their
ability to stand in full power.
KC: So, in a certain sense you’re assisting people
to find their mission, and then, possibly, to execute it to
MS: I think that’s very well put. I think that’s
very well put. And it’s really intriguing to watch them
around the world as they are starting to really take a look
at the future and say: This can happen. I can do
things differently. And the future is going to be
very different than what I am being given with the CNN version
of reality that we get fed every day -- if I step out of this
scenario that I am being fed and take back life as I want to
KC: And see beneath the surface to what’s really
going on outside of the matrix.
MS: Absolutely. The extraterrestrial component, though,
is such an integral part of that. And they all want to know
more, because it really brings back our full history on this
planet. And it brings back our potential future as we go out
into space and enter into the next frontier. So that’s
a large component, also, of what people are getting involved
And, having had a scope of experiences, with not just one
race, but multiple races giving me a multi-cultural variation
to it -- different aspects of technology, holography, communication,
different species attributes, how they tend to work with humans,
who tends to take you on a little bit of a joy journey, who
tends to give you more philosophical teachings.
Those types of thing are really helpful as people are trying
to gain their own working-ground, and wrapping their head around
the extraterrestrial reality.
KC: Well, also, we’re all mixtures of different
races, wouldn’t you say? So, I mean, you must tap into
MS: In more ways than you would think! In more ways
than even the human race.
KC: Yes. Well, that’s what I meant by races --
ET races, various ETs. So you must actually tap into their,
sort of, lineage, if you will.
MS: Oftentimes I can. Oftentimes. You know with… If
you take reincarnation in general, for example, someone may
have 140 lifetimes, but only 4 are really germane to what’s
going on right now.
KC: Mm hm. That’s right.
MS: And their journeys of where they may have reincarnated
not on Earth, there’s often -- not always -- but there’s
often a primary lineage that they really feel affinity to.
Just like here on Earth, we could say: Well, I really am
more in tune with my Egyptian incarnations than I am with my
KC: Exactly. Yes.
MS: …somebody may have. And, you know, a lot
of times there’s no names for these races that we have.
I can just describe where they seem to be coming from, or if
there is something in the common vernacular, but they have
something very strong there. But people are always positioned
that they’ve got to find their own answers, because this
isn’t empirical information.
MS: And so, I can’t give you: In 1613,
you know, there was this particular information; you can
go look it up. Or in, you know, 42 A.D. So people have
to be tuned into their own reality and their own version of
what feels right and what resonates.
KC: Right. What resonates with them.
MS: So, these are just like tools, and things to help.
Here is, you know, just a cornucopia of information. If it
feels right, take it and use it as a tool to grow. And if it
doesn’t, that’s OK. Just discard it.
Because you have to be your own master of your destiny. Don’t
you dare hand off the keys to the car to me or anybody else!
KC: Right. Well, that’s great to hear that that’s
your approach. So, in your own back-experience with the races
that you feel affinity for… Are you willing to
talk about which races you do? Because, you know, if I remember
correctly -- and correct me if I’m wrong here – there’s
something with the Sirians, Andromedans, that you had some
contact there. I know you have a real affinity for Egypt. And
I feel I know you from Egypt, I have to say.
MS: Yeah. A lot of times when I do use those terms,
as I pointed out, they’re used because they’re
already in the common vernacular and people are familiar with
My perspective is, I’ll talk a little bit about the
extraterrestrial races, but there’s something that’s
beyond them I think is so much more important that I get people
focused in on. And that’s what I call the “Multi-dimensional
Teachers”, the more advanced beings who really teach
us to become elevated, super-humans almost, to be what we aspire
to be, and know what we can be, you know, the best of humanity.
Those are the ones I like to focus in on and stay in communion
with. You really almost have to earn your privileges with them.
It’s as if, you know, as an average person, we would
try to get into Harvard, where supposedly they have wonderful
teachers there, although there are also good teachers elsewhere.
MS: But, you know, it’s that type of thing. I
really feel honored when I have the ability to get communion
and communication with them. And that’s where I try to
focus people, because…
KC: OK. So when you say multi-dimensional, are
you talking light beings, people that…
MS: You could call them that. They don’t need
KC: …beings that don’t manifest in… Yes.
MS: They will use one, oftentimes, but they don’t
necessarily need a body. And so, they’re what we tend
to refer to as the Old Wise Masters, and they can take any
form, any shape.
They really focus a lot on teaching the understanding of space,
time -- which is so infantile here on this planet -- getting
us to understand multiple perspectives, how things really work
out there, and how to navigate beyond the human experience.
There is a lot to do with… when you get into the very
controversial aspects of time and time travel. They teach you
Now truth. Really, what is truth? Truth is a matter of perspective.
What is truth at one point and to one person, is not another
person’s. But I feel it’s the closest to the truth
that I’ve been able to get at this point.
But the regular extraterrestrial races are the ones that a
lot of people are having contacts with. You always hear about
KC: Mm hm.
MS: And what I like to get people familiar with is the
fact that, with the Grays, is that they have some of the most
tremendous powers of holography, telepathy, of all the races
out there. And, the power of being able to get inside your
head and anticipate what they need to do, for a scenario, to
be able to reach out to you, or to get you to think that you’re
in a certain situation so that you’re more comfortable,
is quite powerful. And so, you want to break through that illusion.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: But I also try to get people to understand that… Stop
looking at things from a human who’s very stubborn, and
try to understand why these races are working with us in the
capacity that they are.
And so, what the human does is, they take themselves out of
the placement of, I’m just another species, and
tries to put themselves as a God-like being. And we’re
not a God-like being. We are just another species in a broad
spectrum that’s out there. And so, when we look…
KC: Well, there is also a tendency to put the alien,
or the ET, in that position.
MS: Very much so, because they’re so different.
KC: And that’s a huge gap and a disconnect.
MS: Yeah. That’s part of our growing up, in that
what we have to do is to stop looking at them as Gods. You
know, that’s one of the most common “Ten Myths
of Extraterrestrial Reality”, is that they’re Gods
and great beings.
MS: They’re not Gods and great beings. We should
think of them as life colleagues. And that’s
how we should think of every species on this planet.
KC: Also, they all have agendas. We’ve got a basis
for what you’re doing with your contacts, and also with
the people that you’re consulting. You call yourself
a consultant, right?
KC: And so, what we want to know is, have you had contact
lately? And what are they telling you, if anything, about what’s
going on here today?
MS: Excellent question.
KC: Because we’ve got an economy that’s
in the tank. Right?
KC: And people are wondering what’s happening
with their stocks. You know, the stock market is down, drastically
down. We’ve got potential war with Iran. We’ve
got all kinds of things going on.
MS: We’re at an incredibly tumultuous situation.
And I want to give you a kudos, because you’re the first
person who’s asked me that. And you really have ask me
questions to get a lot of information out of me.
MS: What has happened is… As you know from the
last time, I’ve been contacted since I was in the crib.
But what they did is, they made some… What we could
call, in an analogy, is saying I’m hard-wired?
Tapped in? And so, I have instant communication any time I
need it to the other side. So I don’t have to necessarily
have an extraterrestrial visit or have them come.
I haven’t seen anyone in the physical for a while. Over
the past couple of years there’s been a couple of attempts,
and I’ve closed the door -- for certain reasons -- because
I wasn’t sure who it was in advance. And so, that is
something that I’ve done in the recent years unless I
know exactly who it is and I feel completely comfortable.
It’s kind of a Pavlovian response. But I always have
access to information anytime I ask a question. It’s
almost like there’s a little antenna on all the time.
And what you’re asking is what I’m getting from
people all over the world. I mean, people are really, really
scared, confused, not sure what’s happening.
MS: But what I want to point out is, yeah, are we in
the midst of great change? Absolutely. But you’ve got
to get rid of the baby teeth before the big teeth can come
And so what I’m doing is getting people to look at it
from a different perspective. I mean, we’ve been through
all kinds of tumultuous situations, ever since the history
of mankind. I mean, Sparta invaded Athens. You know, the Romans
took over England. We can go right on up through our history,
where we felt like the world was ending and there was total
chaos within the times, within the context of our civilization
in which we live.
MS: We’re in the midst of one of those times.
But, instead of being terrified, we’ve got to learn to
let go of the things that may have not mattered so much, when
we thought they did, and get ready for tremendous new opportunity
to build things the way that they should be built to allow
us to live in a society that will benefit us in a new way.
Now, a lot of people aren’t going to like that because
they like their house; they’ve accrued a tremendous amount
of money; they like the lifestyle they have. But the bottom
line is the planet can’t sustain that anymore.
KC: OK. But… so you know that the Illuminati
have an agenda. You know they’re trying to roll that
out as we speak. You know that there are efforts to actually
attack Iran. So, you know this is going on in the backdrop,
and yet you seem to be very optimistic. So when you say… Look,
they’re gonna lose their money. They may lose their house.
Certainly the housing crisis is pretty phenomenal. But, what
is the new style that you’re sort of telling them they’re
MS: I just want to clarify this. It doesn’t mean
they’re necessarily going to lose their money.
But you have to be living in a time right now where we have
to be able to surf the waves and deal with what comes forward.
What I’m doing is repositioning them in terms of looking
at… There’s never been a better time. Oh, this
is a horrible analogy: Think about if the carpetbaggers in
the South were a positive thing instead of abusing the South
the way it happened. Think if it was a positive humanitarian
There’s never been a better time to get in on the ground
floor right now to get positioned for a different future, one
that’s gonna include, or go beyond, the frontiers of
this planet, new frontiers in space.
There’s tremendous advances in technology and artificial
intelligence. There’s tremendous changes in peoples’ lifestyles.
There’s tremendous understanding of the greater reality,
which is going to be flooding in to a new degree. There’s
never been a better chance to be a true pioneer and be tremendously
And the message I get over and over again, whether it’s
somebody who’s just raising -- I shouldn’t say just;
it’s the most important job of our generation, is raising
kids -- somebody who’s raising kids, dealing with a family;
or is a small-time entrepreneur; a major CEO who’s in
ultimate despair. When they get off the phone with me, they
say: I’ve never looked at life so differently, and
I have such a different vision of the future and of hope, that
And so, what I’m doing is telling them, and showing
them, that it’s all about vision and how we look at it.
And we’ve just gotta be prepared.
Now, if some things are gonna happen, they’re gonna
happen. Some things may not happen. Some things we may make
a difference in by doing things differently, thinking differently,
creating this resistance to this -- as I call it; you’ve
heard me say before -- this CNN version of reality.
MS: And it’s all about… Everything I talk
about is all about taking back our power, as human beings,
as social beings, as cultural beings, as someone incarnated
within the times. We now have tools that we didn’t have
KC: OK. We’ve got an oil-dependent regime. OK?
MS: Which we’ve had for a very long time.
KC: Exactly. And so, what we’re looking for is
something that will change.
MS: New thought-forms.
KC: A mind that’s open to change.
MS: New thought-forms.
KC: OK. That’s gonna be the bottom line, is that,
if they’re not willing to change the paradigm, then we’re
gonna get the same old, same old, same old. Right?
MS: Well, you’re making an assumption.
KC: OK. Yeah. Help me here, because if we remain totally
dependent on oil…
MS: Yeah. If we don’t change the paradigm, there’s
several things that could happen. There could be things that
happen geologically, or geographically. There could be things
that could happen where those who watch over us may decide
to step in. Or may not.
KC: Right. Oh, yeah.
MS: So, there’s a lot of things that could happen.
The optimum opportunity for us is to change the paradigm.
Now, the intriguing thing is I sometimes get asked: Well,
do they tell you who’s gonna win the election? You
know. Do they give you advance notice?
Whenever I get information, it’s usually just days before
the wire, because it’s already written out there and
they let me know -- which has happened in the past elections.
However, in this situation, what they do is, they really watch,
because this tells them the pulse of the human being within
the United States, as to how they make their decisions, what
their trends are, where they seem to be putting their energies
and information in terms of where they’re going forward.
Because, as you’re pointing out, one pathway does lead
towards openness to greater change and doing things differently.
The other one does show more resistance.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: Now, this is highly controversial, but, with the
last series of elections that we had -- we don’t know
if this is true or not -- but the information I had been given
in the 1990s was that they were intending for the early 2000s,
particularly between 2002 and 2004, to be able to make great
headway in terms of making themselves known on this planet.
But with things that took place, and the way they watched
the populace respond to certain things that happened, it was
decided that they were not going to shake up the planet and
they were going to wait at that time.
KC: OK. So here we are at 2008. Is what you’re
getting that they are going to come forward more?
MS: I do believe that that’s gonna happen in our
lifetime. I don’t get a date. I know a lot of people
believe that by 2012 it’s gonna happen. I can only tell
I would expect, at the rate we’re going, by 2016 it
should be out in the open. Could it happen in two years? Sure.
Could it happen in twelve years? Sure. But at this point in
time I do not know and I’m not going to pretend like
I do. I’m just looking at potentials, and the way that
we’re going forward.
Anything’s up for grabs. But, you know, as I alluded
to last time, you also look for indicators as to what’s
out there where it might happen. We are getting more into the
open populace and more into the mainstream.
But, remember, I also said that one of the major triggers
for knowing when it’s coming soon is when there’s
an announcement that on another planet they found evidence
of an ancient civilization.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: If we ever find that, then we know it’s just
around the corner. That may not be our pathway. They may not
go that way with us. But I would expect – just in general
terms as they usually do with planets opening up… it
KC: OK. What you’re dealing with are executives.
As you say, there’s a growing consciousness change.
MS: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
KC: OK. And you seem pretty impressed by it.
MS: Oh, I’m astonished. I’m not
impressed. In the past year in the difference in my practice… I’m
KC: OK. Well that’s lovely.
MS: The people coming to me, the level of people, what
they’re experiencing, and once they’re beginning
to get some answers, put some pieces to the puzzle together,
how fast they’re being accelerated. And I’ve
just basically let go, and let them work with those on the
other side who work with them.
KC: Right. OK.
MS: These people are almost like colleagues to me at
this point, instead of, you know, coming as initiates.
KC: That’s nice.
MS: It’s fabulous. [laughs]
KC: Yes. I mean, that’s got to be a great feeling.
But, you know, there are ETs with what might be called a negative
agenda, or not in our best interests. And do you make your
clients aware of who those ETs are? Do you teach them how to
MS: The number one thing is teach them how to protect
themselves, not just from ETs, but when you start opening up
the door to the other side, anything and everything can come
MS: So you don’t open up the door till you know
how to shut it. So that’s the number one thing.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: However, I don’t teach them, necessarily,
this one is negative or that one is negative, because… Think
of it, when you were a kid, you know. You had this best friend
and your parents couldn’t stand him because in their
eyes they were negative, but you saw value in that person.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: There may be something there for them that I could
be putting within this paradigm which would be, you know, unfair.
MS: So what I do is, I give them tools of discernment,
of protection, of what to look for. The most powerful tool
I give them is how to use their cognitive mind along with their
intuitive mind to look at things perceptively, and
to look at this greater reality that's out there and whoever
may be in it and be able to, let's say, vet them,
so that they can determine for themselves, whether it’s
good or bad.
KC: Right. Whether they're sending them on a positive
mission, if you will.
MS: Right, right.
KC: Because a lot of these things go on... You know,
Jim Sparks is one of the well-known conscious abductees, if
you will. His recall could have, and probably does have, some
overlays to it, even though it appears to be positive. So this
is, you know, a huge dilemma.
MS: Well, Jim and I had an interesting phone call, within
the past year, I think it was. And before I tell you what else,
there’s one thing interesting. Those of us who've had
experiences, that aren't just, you know: Oh, I had an experience, or I
saw something, but have lifetime training, there are things
we know about that only each other know. So we can, again using
the word, vet each other very quickly.
And so, Jim and I realized that we could talk a similar language,
and very comfortably, very quickly. And the thing with Jim
is that, from what I understand, and I may have this wrong,
but I understand that he originally looked at this negatively.
But then he soon learned, by widening his perspective, that
there was a greater agenda, more going on than he realized
was going on. And he was able to look at it differently.
MS: And so, that's one of the approaches that's really
incumbent upon all of us to be aware of, is that we don't always
understand what's going on when we work with these other groups.
And that's why you have to think perceptively, in
a whole new manner, and be open. But at the same time, be smart
and not give away, you know, the keys to the vault of yourself
and say, again: Oh, they're Gods. I'll do anything you
MS: We need to think smartly and say: Is this right
for me? What kind of information am I getting? How does this
integrate into my reality? Does it make sense? What am I
going to do with it? Is somebody taking me for a joyride
here, or what?
MS: And so, these are the things that people worldwide
need to know. This needs to be a part of our ET 101 education
that we've been stripped of by not even being allowed to acknowledge
that they exist.
KC: Exactly. Yeah.
MS: So I'm doing my best to get ET 101, and 401, out
there into the common populous for those who are open for it.
KC: OK. So you're getting information yourself. You're
dealing with people that are starting to open up, some of which
are quite far along on the path. And then, at the same time
we've got this… I don't know if you want to call it
a "rolling snowball”. But whatever this is, you
know, stuff is coming down the pike, some of which will be
MS: I wouldn't say that very definitively like that.
KC: Right. Well, Earth changes, you know…
MS: We've had Earth changes since we've been on this
KC: Right. So don't misinterpret what I'm saying.
KC: I'm using the term "Earth changes" purposefully.
It could be small, you know. It could be a tornado, you know.
MS: OK. That’s correct.
KC: It could be a major change in a coastline. It could
be a change in the amount of water, you know, inundated, certain
areas, you know; ecosystems changing. It could be small, or
it could be major. Right?
KC: So we have a gamut.
KC: And what we're wondering, and what I'm sure people
out there are wondering is, to what degree, and how soon, and
where? And this kind of thing. And what I'm wondering is, are
you getting that kind of information? Or is it all still, you
know, subject to change?
MS: I am getting some of that information. It is heavily
dependent on where the consciousness of the planet goes. And
so, that's why it is so important to get people empowered,
and get them to understand that they have an entrainment program
in front of them, in terms of where their minds are, where
their thoughts are, what they're expecting, and how that they're
acting, is going to make a difference in what's going to befall
KC: Mm hm.
MS: It is absolutely critical. Because the way that
I've been led to understand that time works is that this is
going to impact which timeline befalls us, as a greater populous.
MS: As far as details, I'm occasionally shown some things.
But they always, always have predicated it with: This is
a probable tendency, a probable reality. Anything can change.
MS: One interesting thing that I understand Edgar Cayce
had said is that… Within the past month or two, I have
seen some land rising off of Florida. Now whether that’s
going to happen, I don’t know any more than you do. But
I would be very intrigued. You know, that whole Bimini
type of line, down to the Bahamas, has been shown to me as
becoming more solidified as a potential.
KC: Uh huh.
MS: But again, I don't know. I mean, I don't know any
more than I know which horse is gonna run at Belmont, you know,
and win. [laughter] But I just listen to it. I pay attention
to it, and know that it's a potential. It’s a possibility.
And we'll wait and see, just like the rest of us.
KC: OK. So, in addition, we get, you know, because Camelot's
now been in operation for a little over two years… We've
got witnesses from deep black projects. We've got psychics.
We've got intuitives. We've got, you know… covering
the gamut, really. And the information we get coming at us
is really amazing.
There's a huge amount of it which is kind of focused on what
appears to be… if you're familiar with the Iron Mountain
Report and with some of the agendas that they're trying to
role out. Now, whether they’ll be successful at that,
of course, has something to do with the way the populace reacts,
and the consciousness…
MS: Yes. What is the Iron Mountain Report?
KC: Reduction of the population through disease, you
know, actually planted viruses. War. You know, creating what
they call chaos… to bring order out of that,
the kind of order that they're looking for. In other words,
there is a movement to get rid of a certain degree of population.
There are agendas out there that they're pushing along.
And what I'm wondering is, in your work... because these agendas...
In other words, you can consult somebody individually on their
life, and they can start having a much better view of reality
and of all their potential, and, you know, want to start a
company, let's say. In fact we just met a couple who… they're
starting a very wonderful eco-friendly way of building houses.
OK? Kind to the environment, you name it.
But they're in a dilemma right now. They've got a child and
they feel that something’s coming down the pike. They
actually live already in a fairly, what I would consider to
be, you know -- who can call anything safe? – but
safe in the sense that it’s not on a coastline. You're
not going to have a tsunami tomorrow. This sort of thing.
But they feel that America has become actually, you know,
untenable. It's not gonna be the America we knew in the past.
MS: It already isn't the America we knew in the past.
KC: Exactly. So this is worrying them. And they want
to know what their future looks like, for their child. And
they're actually contemplating moving out of the country to
South America because now...
MS: Well, I'm getting a lot of South America. I have
a lot of clients throughout South America.
KC: GREAT! Well, let’s hear what it is…
KC: What would you say to these people? That’s
what I'm asking.
MS: I do say what I'm about to say, because I get asked
this every single time -- is that you are going to be guided
to wherever you need to go. If something is gonna happen, you’re
gonna end up exactly where you need to go.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: And it may not be, you know, heading high for the
hills and hanging out and being safe with your family. Because if something were to
happen on a larger degree in this country, worldwide, people
have certain skill-sets that are gonna be needed in certain
So, this is where I get people to tap into their higher selves
and their consciousness and say: Just trust. Trust in yourself.
Because you weren't born to pay the mortgage. You weren't
born to go to your kids’ soccer game. Those are things
that come with everyday life. You were born as part of a mass
contingency who decided to be here at a time to help enable
a strategic turnaround on this planet.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: So for God’s sakes, listen. Listen to yourself.
Remember who you are and why you are here. And stop worrying
about these things. Because you'll be wherever you need to
be, and you'll have whatever you need to do at that time.
Now, in terms of the population being reduced, whatever, we've
been through that. You look at Western Europe, being wiped
out by the black plague.
KC: That’s right.
MS: And so, you know, as many people have said before:
How can we know our future when we don't even remember our
past? And so, we've been through many periods of time that
have had happen to them exactly what's happening now.
The difference now is we have advanced technology to understand
it differently. We have mass communications to know what's
happening immediately. Some people didn't know about Krakatoa
-- which was for some the end of the world, you know -- for
years afterwards. So, what is happening now isn't all that
different than what's happened throughout history.
The difference is that we have a Mayan prophecy that is scaring
the pants off of people. We have the world where we're able
to see it in a way we have not been able to see it before.
We have environmental tragedy happening every day, with species
disappearing, and mass pieces of land just melting away. We
have a lot of things happening that we know about. And so,
the environment is pushing us in a vast direction very quickly.
And we're all able to know about this through this grand internet,
KC: That's right.
MS: ...and through our Blackberries, and whatever else
we're using, our I-phones. So we have almost, like, everything
that we've been through in different cycles of time before,
coming into the greatest culmination right now.
The other thing we have -- and this is very controversial;
I can't believe I'm gonna talk about it [laughs] on camera
-- is that, when we talk about reincarnation, what I have seen
is we have a mass contingency reincarnated again, of those
who were at first working at the time that we know, of Ahknaton, but
what I call the “Jesus contingency.”
There was the time, at that point, of what we've been led
to believe was a little bit different than the religious accounts
tend to tell us. I mean, we have to remember, the stories were
written 70 years later, at the earliest. We have very small
fragments of what happened.
But there was a mass contingency of people back at that time.
They are all reincarnated and back here again, once again trying
to do this amazing strategic turnaround on this planet, hoping
for a different future.
But goodness! Look what happened two thousand years ago! It
wasn't the way that a lot of people thought it was gonna turn
out. And I don't think certainly Yeshua thought it was gonna
turn out that way. [laughs] Or maybe the plans were a little
different. That's very bold for me to say.
But I've seen this amazing contingency reincarnated again
So, if we're facing a strategic turnaround, I think we have
a well-equipped group to deal with it if they just do one thing:
Remember who they are, come into their power, take back the
way that they think, and not give away their power to others,
remember the spiritual component within them, remember the
divinity in everybody else that's out there and it's not just
If this demographic group learns to link together the way
that they're starting to, and work together, they're a bigger
group than anybody ever would believe.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: And they absolutely can do everything that's being
asked of them to turn it around. But it's up to them. As I
can say, I can give you an admission to a wonderful college,
but you may not go. You may take a different pathway. That's
basically what’s in front of us.
So, our group incarnational lesson right now is to find each
other, collaborate, work together, get rid of the pettiness
that has plagued mankind, and start doing things on small platforms
or big platforms -- not waiting for permission from anybody,
just going forward and going.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: Because, as a lot of your audience really tends
to tap into, the clock does seem to be ticking at five minutes
to midnight. And you know what? Even if we have another 17
hours on that clock, what we need to do will be beneficial.
So, if we have five minutes to midnight, or we have a long
time in front of us, it doesn't matter.
We need to get going and we need to act. And that's why I've
been so busy and I haven't been able to be out and talking
to people and doing what needs to be done, is because I'm prepping
these human seeds everywhere so they go out and cascade
and reach a lot of people.
KC: Mm hm.
Bill Ryan (BR): We interviewed George Green... In April
we interviewed George Green, who is a contactee as well, as
you know. And his sources tell him that it's nearly too late.
He refers to the group of people who are aware, and alert,
and awakened, as the Ground Crew -- it's just his typology
for that. And he wrote a book called...
MS: What a great name. I like it.
BR: ...Messages for the Ground Crew. And this
is one of the things that inspired us to launch Project Avalon,
which is focused on communities, awakening, resources, communication,
networking, sharing information.
Are you just saying, actually, it's OK? You know, it'll all
BR: Because, whatever happens, it's gonna work out?
MS: No. I'm saying there’s a call to action right
BR: So what is the action? If I'm watching this video,
and I'm smart, and I'm aware, and I'm alert, I'm focused, and
I'm flexible, now what do I do? Where do I go? What should
my strategy be? What advice do you give me personally about
this? Because I want something more specific, because I'm very … I
mean, this isn't me personally speaking. But what I often do
in these interviews is I ask questions that we're asked to
We get these messages every day. People say: What do I
do? How can I help? How can I contribute? I’ve got
a feeling of responsibility for the human race. Tell me what
this call to action should be. Help me
MS: On a one-to-one basis, what I do, basically, is
that I look at what your reincarnational lessons have been.
But then I also take a look at: What have you done in terms
of your skill-set? Where is your knowledge? And where is your
expertise, that we can really position you, that you are really
gonna make a difference? But add to the mix of that: What do
you want to do?
And usually you can take the three things, in terms of your
life and soul purpose and lessons, your experience that you've
garnered along the pathway, and what you want to do, and come
up with some way to position you so that you're a New World,
a New Paradigm, entrepreneur.
So it's different for every single person, you know, just
like we have doctors, and we have pharmacists, and we have
bicycle makers, and we have grocery store people, and we have
But at the same time, you don't look at it the way you've
been doing it. You look at it as: How's the world changing?
How's this 21st century vision different in terms of how the
food delivery system’s going to be? Are we going to be
working off the planet? Are we going to be working on-planet?
What kind of scarcities are there gonna be?
So you need to look at an entire array of situations to see
where you have the best opportunity to be positioned.
A lot of times people have an inkling and they really know.
That's when they need the hard business sense in terms of:
OK. How do I make this happen for real, in terms of, you know,
I need to know certain ways to get my talents out there, or
my products out there, or my services out there, and get them
to the people who need them?
Now this goes back to, again, in terms of there's this entire
new demographic that is out there which is, I'm going to just
boldly say, us. We have different appetites.
It's like all of a sudden, you know, everyone's eating meat
and you want sushi. [Kerry laughs] We have different appetites
in terms of what we want and what we want the world to be.
So this is where we're now feeding our own demographic group
and creating this world that's burgeoning out.
So you say you want hard answers. So does everybody else.
But it's a little bit different for each person based on… [to
Bill] You might be best at terra-forming. [to Kerry] You might
be best in terms of going back into, maybe L.A., and making
some key contacts, and re-defining the vision in terms of what
people are going to be feeding on demographically.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: And so, you know, I've got… I do… I
have people who are working with major foundations. I have
people who are working within Hollywood and L.A. I have people
in major... I gotta be careful here... PR areas and banking,
and, you know, all sorts of things where they are doing things
new and differently and applying their skills.
And they're not just in the United Sates. Because there's
a lot of things going on in other countries that are making
a difference in terms of, you know, the awakened group down
KC: Well let me ask you this. Are you, yourself, going
through any kind of change? Any kind of…
MS: Dilemmas! [laughs]
KC: ...dilemmas as a result of what’s been going
on? Because we talked to you a year ago, and I can look at
you and see that you've gone through some changes.
MS: [laughs] I'm gettin' older! [continues laughing]
KC: No! I mean, at least appearance-wise, it looks very
positive. I'm curious. And I'm sure that people would like
to know: How are you affected by this change?
MS: On a personal level… I'll be happy to share.
My diet has changed significantly in terms of what I am able
to digest and able to eat. Sleep patterns have changed. My
strength and stamina has changed. It’s almost as if it
was time to get ready,get yourself back in shape again.
So, there's been changes on multiple tracks in terms of consciousness,
my consciousness, my energy levels, the work that I'm doing.
And it’s just a microcosm of what's going on with everybody
that I know. Even people who aren't on the enlightenment path
are facing massive changes.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: So that brings us into something that we haven't
talked about, and that’s what's going on in terms of
cosmic radiation, energy forces affecting the Earth.
MS: We are definitely receiving different streams. And
it's been detailed that this was gonna happen at this point
in time, and it's making people respond differently.
KC: Right. So we're going into the center, the Galactic
Center. As we move towards that, we've got waves of energy
coming towards us and... Can you talk about that?
MS: Yeah. I think it's a good thing to talk about because
it's interesting, how you're going to talk about it with two
different groups. When I talk to a group that’s on what
I call the enlightenment path, the initiate path, we can go
right into it and talk about it like that. [snaps fingers]
I got news for you -- we're all here for the swing vote. And
so, our job right now is not as much to work within our own
group, but to get those people that are curious and want to
know more and willing to look through the door at this greater
reality of what's out there, and start asking questions, and
live life differently.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: And so, when we talk about things… like we
talk about radiation, cosmic influences affecting the Earth, “we” can
speak about it one way, but it’s gonna sound so far-out
to this other group, they're gonna close their ears and be
So when we're talking amongst ourselves we can address it
a certain way, but if we're talking to a group where we want
to open up to other people, now we start thinking about: OK,
make it in terms that they can understand.
The reason I’m bringing this up is I want the audience
to understand that these are things that they need to be doing,
because so many people have good information, but they can't
get it past their own small group. And we have to start spreading
So that's what the information has been given to me, is to… We
have to understand how to be powerful and effective communicators.
So when we talk about these radiation influences and things
impacting the planet, we've got to remind people that it's
not just Woo-hoo, you know, out there. It
really does happen.
We can get skin cancer from an orb that is billions of miles
away. There are radiation belts that surround the Earth. So,
what makes it so far out to consider that there are
different radiation and cosmic influences impacting the planet,
and impacting us as a human species who's on it right now?
So, what we're finding is that, as you alluded to, that people
are finding life very different. They're feeling different.
They're having issues in terms of tiredness. They're having
issues in terms of energy. They're having dietary issues --
almost as if they feel like they're being transmuted in some
But we have to really watch in how we explain that and talk
about that so that it does make sense to other people, because
then they'll just say: Oh, you're a woman. You're going
through a certain stage of life. Or: Oh, you're a
man. You're just tired. You're wearing out. It's aging. Etcetera. It
isn't necessarily aging, is it?
KC: Absolutely not.
MS: We think something's going on. We think we're changing
at a cellular level.
KC: Exactly. The DNA is changing.
MS: Well, wait a minute. Let me interrupt you. We
don't know that. That is a New Age assumption. Because I have
not seen one study of research that's shown any mutational
impact whatsoever. But is anybody really looking at it on a
KC: Right. Exactly.
MS: We don't know. So I'm also really hesitant, because
I do have this whole background, this whole medical background,
of walking both worlds. Is it possible that our DNA's changing?
Yes. And I've expected it in our lifetime. But nobody's tracking
it. There's no scientific evidence of it.
And the whole mythology of this 12-strand DNA is not necessarily
applicable to the Earth human.
The power of the genetics lies within the codons and
the codon sequences and the radiation frequency
that comes out within each elial. An elial is a mixture of
the chemical bases that make up your DNA. And so, that's
where the power lies within, and that's where I believe the
One of the natural ways of mutation... one of the four natural
ways… is radiation. That's how we get spontaneous genetic
So, I do believe, and I know that you've read my writings,
that that is what's happening now, as I've been told was going
to happen. What we need is… we DO need somebody tracking
the human on this planet and seeing are there evolutionary
processes going on? But there's no money, there's no research,
there's no foundation doing that.
At the same time, we do have to be careful when we make these
assumptions as we're changing. I think it's important to say: I
believe, I think we're changing, but until I see the actual
genetic evidence of somebody doing a study showing mutational
changes, then I'm going to look at it a little differently. On
my own personal belief system? Yeah. We're changing. I do believe
KC: OK. Well, you can also see it in your own life.
I mean, I have to say, here we are a year later. Bob [Dean]
is looking healthier than he was a year ago. I don't know… He's
got a new lease on life. He's going out. He's going to be speaking.
We thought last year was his last interview.
I see changes. I see physical changes in the people around
me. I just can't ignore it, and I think that they are feeling
the changes. So these are real. I see it. In my own body I
see it. I mean, it's phenomenal.
MS: They're changing physically. They're changing emotionally.
You'll also see a lot of relationships -- I've seen more marriages
and relationships on the rocks and breaking up than I've ever seen
in my entire lifetime. You see it emotionally.
And I've also seen a LOT -- a lot -- of people have life and
death situations, where a lot of people were all of a sudden… they
were tremendously healthy, and they're facing cancer, and they're
walking through that whole cancer process. And many of them,
thank God, are coming through it and clearing it through their
own processes, which I think is very empowering.
MS: So there's a lot going on.
KC: Yeah. So we've gone from the waves of energy coming
at the Earth, and we've talked about it in a little more practical
terms. You're fairly sophisticated scientifically, so you've
also addressed that slightly.
But what are we doing, as a planet, in your estimation? Can
you describe the astronomy to people, such that they will understand?
Both gamuts -- in other words, the people that are watching
this that are new to the whole notion, and the people that
are sort of old hands but they have maybe not skewed it in
their own minds in the way that you might. Do you know what
MS: Stop me if I'm not going in the direction that I
think you want me to go in here. But when you talk about the
astrology, one of the impacts that…
KC: Astronomy. Not astrology. But astrology would be
very interesting as well.
MS: Actually, they both come in, because… Well,
let me talk about astrology for a second.
MS: From what I understand, we've had major changes
astrologically, with some aspects that haven't been around
for a couple of hundred years, that tend to color and influence
generations of people that grow up under it.
Astrology, I think, has an absolute foundation to it. I don't
think we necessarily read: Oh, this is a me. I'm a Gemini
today and I should do what the newspaper says. But as
a more complex process, it's been around for thousands of year.
And I think there's some foundation to it.
Plus, with the extraterrestrial teachings that I've had, they've
gotten into it somewhat, saying that… At one time, if
I remember correctly, they were telling me how... the way that
the Moon impacts the ocean and has that influence on the tides,
that the actual planetary influences have an impact on our
cellular components within ourselves.
I don't remember. I'd have to go look it up and read what
I had as notes. But I remember that they were pointing me to,
that there really was a foundation to astrological influences
on the human being.
So, there's those major changes that are coming in that affect
generations that could be an impetus for this.
As far as astronomy, we have what's called the end of the
Kali Yuga. We're coming to the end of a major cycle. And we
do tend to forget that we’re on a planet hurtling through
space, that is moving.
We just tend to look out the window and see our car parked
out there and traffic going by, or look at the four walls and
see our immediate surroundings. But we're on a space vehicle.
And we're moving, as if we were a boat in the ocean.
We're moving through space. And as a result of that, we are
going through different areas, different zones that have different
influences, just like, if we were on that ocean, and we were
suddenly coming to a region that was characterized by great
storm activity. And then we would get through it and go on
to a region that may have calmer waters.
That's pretty much where we're at right now. And I think we're
all feeling that effect. And, you know, it's a little bit of
chaos. But I think chaos can be a good thing, because otherwise,
you’d just stay where you're at. And where we have been
has not necessarily been that great in the past.
We have tremendous advantages that we haven't had, but at
the same time, we're not paying attention to the full picture.
And we have to respect the entire cycle of life on this planet,
and really pay attention to the extinction of species that
is going on, the environmental decimation that's taking place.
And the human being has to really get its act together if
they want to continue to be the leading harbinger on this planet
of the species kingdom.
KC: OK. So, what do you think the chances are that we're
gonna avoid nuclear war in the near future?
MS: I honestly don't know.
MS: I honestly don't know. I would like to think they're
very good, [laughs] but I honestly don't know.
KC: OK. And what about the United States, the political
system? Do you have high hopes for us in the future here?
MS: [pantomimes herself] She scratches her head. [laughs]
It’s very easy to be negative about it. What we're seeing,
though, is we don't have the patience any more for the two-party
system. It doesn't work. I mean, we've had the Tories and the
Whigs. You know, we've had two parties, either/or, polarization,
you know, left or right, black or white.
I think we've grown beyond the two-party system. I'd like
to have just one party, if it worked! [Kerry laughs]. You know,
if they could get something done.
I think the… especially in the United States, the start
of America, the Founding Fathers, the American Revolution… it
was brilliant! I have the greatest respect for that time. But
what it has descended into is, really, this huge bureaucracy
that just doesn't work.
I've worked in the private sector, and I've spent many years
in government, so I know what goes on. And it’s just… Big
corporations, too; they're just strangled by bureaucracy. When
you're in crisis, you don't have time for that.
BR: But the problem's not bureaucracy. The problem is
that it's been taken over like a Punch and Judy show. And it's
not a real democracy anyway because...
MS: No. It hasn't been for a long time.
BR: ... the same group controls both sides. So actually,
it’s a farce. I mean, this isn't a real election anyway.
It’s not a question of polarization. It’s a question
of dialectic, isn't it? That they use these “apparent
opposites” to keep people busy in television debates,
where actually the whole thing is engineered.
MS: Our whole life is engineered. I mean, the human
history is SO different than it’s has been given to us.
And so, what has been happening is – always -- you keep
the human distracted, and you can do whatever you want.
KC: Mm hm.
MS: And so that's why we need to get the human to understand
what really goes on in this planet, who they really are, so
they can take the power back within themselves and stop behaving
like the herd species, the slave-race mentality, always accepting
mediocrity, and not doing what's right.
We kill off our best and our brightest all the time! I mean,
if you look through our history. Anyone that stands on the
fringe, and anybody who's been an innovative leader, has usually
ended up in the stocks, on the chopping block, or is wasting
away in prison, tortured.
We don't revere our great ones. WE KILL 'EM OFF! The human
species loves mediocrity. It’s time for that to change,
I think. I prefer to stay optimistic.
KC: All right. Well, thank you, Marcia.
MS: You’re welcome. [laughs]
KC: This has been a lot of fun and actually quite enlightening.
I think that people will find it very valuable.
MS: It's been a delight talking to you again. Thank
here for the