Jessica Schab : A Crystal Child Speaks Out
Sedona, Arizona, December 2008
Kerry Cassidy (K): Hi, I’m Kerry
Cassidy from Project Camelot, and today we are here with Jessica
Schab. Is that how you say your name?
Jessica Schab (J): Yes. That’s correct.
K: OK. And Jessica is… A Crystal Child is
what she calls herself.
J: Mm hm.
K: And we’re really excited to be able to talk
to her today. So, Jessica, tell me a little bit about yourself
and, kind of, a little bit about your journey. And she’s
had a very interesting time growing up. And at this time you’re
about, almost 26. Is that right?
J: Yes. [nodding agreement] That’s correct.
K: OK. So, why don’t you tell me, like the early
childhood kind of thing, with the relationship with your father,
and how you sort of tapped into all of this?
J: All right. I was very, very shy growing up. I actually
didn’t fit in, surprisingly. I didn’t really have
friends, of my age. I actually did have a lot of grannies which
I adopted. I had 50. And they taught me how to knit and crochet
and things like that. I retreated a lot into cartoons and…
It really came about when I was 16. That was the big “trigger,” if
you will. Before that, though, I do remember saying things
in school like: Angels are aliens, and
aliens are angels. But…
K: So, you would say this in school?
K: And what would be the reaction of the children around
J: Oh, laughter, ridicule. Yeah. Mm hm. [nodding]
K: OK. And why would you say that?
J: You know what? I really didn’t know.
J: It was almost like channeling, but I wasn’t
aware I was channeling.
J: I just started sharing this information, and it was
even before I knew what was going on with my father. So, ah,
just thinking back to it, that’s kind of interesting
and different. [laughs]
K: Uh huh. OK. So what happened then? I mean, obviously
this is what you did in the early days. How did you progress
at that point? Because I know there’s a part at which
you actually kind of tried to reject that world. Can you talk
about that a little bit?
J: Well, yeah, because when you first get into this
information, it brings about an existential breakdown. You
let go of everything you think you know about yourself, and
the world, and everybody. So it is, in a sense, a little bit
of a death. And also a rebirth. You’re an empty cup now,
an empty vessel to be filled.
K: Be a little more specific in terms of your experience.
Because I know that you had a tragedy in your life. But prior
to that, because that happened kind of like in your late teens…
K: You had sort of a dilemma. So, can you describe what
your father was like, and how that dilemma kind of came ’round
in your life?
J: He was very distant. He was connected to a world
that I wasn’t familiar with, at the time. And he spoke
about things that I really didn’t understand, also. But
he was you know, very, very, like passionate, and loving as
well. But, um… sorry [smiling] … I’m a
Well, I can say, beforehand, I was always a little bit suspicious
in school. I felt like… I didn’t like being taught what to
think rather than how to think. It was always in the
back of my mind. And, also just… It kind of felt like
I was coming off the assembly-line? And I remember trying to
ask about things that I…
I would notice that there was just stuff we weren’t
being taught about in school. For example, in Grade 8, they
were saying the only kind of matter is gas, solid, and liquid.
And I raised my hand and I said: Well, what about
plasma? And you know what she said? Go to detention.
K: Go to detention? Really?
J: Yeah. So, um…
K: Very interesting. And you grew up in what area?
J: Well, I was born in Winterpeg, [Canada] but I left
when I was 7. And the Vancouver area, the suburbs.
J: Mm hm.
K: So, you were told to go to detention because you
talked about plasma. [laughs]
K: And that’s, you know… I mean, so they
actually didn’t have any clue about that. And we’re
talking what year, approximately? Do you remember?
J: I was in Grade 8. Yes.
J: First year of high school. And I just started to
realize: Wait a second here. There’s a lot they’re
not saying. And why can’t we talk about it? Why do we
get in trouble if we bring this stuff up?
J: All right?
K: So, what happened after that?
J: I kinda disregarded it. Like I didn’t really
pay too much attention to it. It was just always in the back
of the brain. And it’s almost like a detective -- you’re
collecting all these bits and pieces as you go on the way.
And, still very blind.
So we always… We have a trigger. And my trigger
was when I was 16. It was tragedy. My sister ended up passing
away. And, ah, [speaking very quietly] her friend was drinking
and driving – and it was just my sister that went. So
it was just her time, and…
K: OK. And how did that affect you? I mean, obviously,
you know, it’s distressing and we don’t have to
dwell on it here. But, at the same time, I think that it has
something to do with your willingness to perhaps let in these
other worlds. Would you say that?
J: Yes, because I realized that… I was very depressed
at that time. And I was also very Christian-thinking, in the
sense that I felt that, you know, everybody who parties and
does drugs and things like that is bad, and I don’t want
to converse with them. Not all Christians think like that,
but that was just the way my head-space was and my interpretation
So, when she passed away and I was listening to her friends
speak about her at the funeral… They were talking about
this wonderful girl that I never got to know because I shut
her out, ’cause I was very judgmental. So, right then
and there I just vowed to myself that I was never going to
judge people by what they did. That wasn’t who they really
were. You know, it’s just experiences that we come here
It was a very devastating time when my sister passed away,
in that it destroyed the family. My mother ended up getting
worse -- very bad migraines. I mean, she had migraines before,
but they seemed to be more frequent, and lasted longer, and
more severe. And my father ended up getting a stroke!
And the family broke apart. My brother went to university.
My other brother went to a foster home. We became homeless.
So it was a lot, all at once. And, you know, I think I just
became very traumatized. You know, it almost didn’t seem
K: OK. You told me that your father had a big influence…
K: …on your, sort of, letting ETs communicate
J: Yes. [nodding agreement]
K: Can you talk to me about that story?
J: Yes. Right after my sister passed away, my dad said: She’s
come back. And she started to speak to him. And she
started… she said that it’s a very exciting
time to be alive. The universe is like a big garden.
There’s lots of tending here. I’ve come
back to let you know that certain members of the family have
been called for a very specific mission.
And she was, like, the introduction towards a whole bunch
of other beings coming through. So, after my sister started
coming through – the catalyst – then came angels,
nature spirits, Ascended Masters, extraterrestrials. It just
got really, really out-there! [laughs]
K: OK. When you say this happened, did this happen to
you? Or did this happen to your father?
J: This happened to my father.
J: It all happened to my father first.
K: So, he’s very open, talking to you about this?
J: Well, he was really shocked and taken aback, you
know. It was exciting. And he just had to share with the family
because he didn’t really… I don’t know if
he knew what to make of it at that time. But he knew that he
needed to share this because it was a big thing to my sister.
The interesting thing about how she came back was… Mediums
can only speak to people who’ve passed away if they haven’t crossed
over. She had crossed over. And then she came
K: OK. When you say she came right back, what do you
mean by that? Do you mean she was reincarnated in another body
and coming to you from there? Or do you mean that she was in
J: She was in another dimension.
J: Yes. The fifth. And my dad described her as… a
very, very bright white light-being appeared to him. Like an
angel. And he said it was very much her personality, because
she’s like: Look, Dad! Don’t I look pretty? [laughing].
Like a girl would say. So…
K: Uh huh.
J: Yeah. It was, you know, something you gotta share.
Something really amazing happened.
K: OK. And what was your reaction when your father talked
J: I was very hurt, very upset. Because she’s
passed away, you know? It’s like dumping salt on this
wound, you know? It’s just: Ha, ha. Not very funny
at all, Dad, you know.
Particularly ’cause he had a stroke. And when he had
the stroke, he didn’t know who we were. He couldn’t
work. You know, I felt like I lost my father. And so, now to
talk about something like this, you know… You’re
crazy. You don’t know what you’re talking about!
K: So he had these experiences after he had
the stroke, is what you’re saying?
J: Yeah. So I thought… [points with her left
index finger upward]
K: He must have recovered fairly well, though, to be
able to communicate. I mean, he didn’t have, like, speech
impairment or anything like that from the stroke?
J: He did, a bit. Yeah.
J: Mm hm.
K: But he was able to communicate this to you?
K: Uh huh.
J: Mm hm. [nodding agreement]
K: OK. So you rejected it in the beginning. What made
you change your mind?
J: A lot of things.
J: It was not something that I was gonna quickly be
open to because I really, really wanted to be normal.
Hmm. And it was never going to happen.
J: I just had to… It took me a while to get to
that. But, ah, he wanted to tell me about his experiences,
and all these beings that were coming through, and what they
were saying. And they were talking a lot about me.
J: [laughs] And I did not know what to think of this.
I really wanted nothing to do with it.
And so, I would just go to the library or the book store,
and books would start falling off the shelf, with the same
kind of context, information, that these beings were speaking
to my dad about. They’d fall right at my feet!
And again, I was still very Christian-thinking, so I’m
like: This is the devil. So I just ran out, freaked
out. And it was funny that…
K: How did you get over that, though, if you were such… if
you had this mind-set that was Christian thinking? How did
you sort of move beyond that?
J: Oh, I’ll get into that. That’s coming
J: So, I would just, you know, go walking down the street
and people would come up to me, people I knew and people I
didn’t know. And they would hand me the books! Again
-- same kind of information that… like the ones that
my dad was talking about, similar to the context of the books
in the library and bookstore.
And what was interesting thing about this is, some of the
people, when I asked: Why are you giving me this book of…?
You know? And they’re like: I don’t know.
How do you not know why you’re giving somebody
a book? Unless you’re being inspired?
J: And I, still, would not look at the books. And so,
it required those beings to be even more persistent. I like
to call it “Angelic Kick in the Butt.”
Where I was working… I’d been working in the
film industry. Right after my sister passed away, I left school
because my parents… they were just, you know, they weren’t
able to work. So I decided that, you know: We go to school
to learn how to make money. I’m out of school. I’m
out of this.
And I went into the film industry right away. My very first
day of “extra”, work I got lines. And so I thought
that was normal. [laughs] The next day, I’m like: When
do I get my lines? And they’re like: You don’t!
So… ah, where was I going with that?
K: So, what happened? What did you do then? You didn’t
get lines. Are you saying you just became an extra?
J: I did extra work. I did acting, I did stunts. I did
stand-in. I did crew work.
J: Set dec. [ed. note: Set decoration.] I did as many
different things, to remove politics, and understand where
everybody was coming from. That was something that I always
was interested in doing, is learning all the different perspectives,
K: OK. And so, when did the transition happen, where
you started to listen to what your father said?
J: On set, on a show called Da Vinci’s Inquest,
a guy came up to me I’d never seen in my entire life.
And he said to me: Is your name Jessica?
And I said: Mm hm. [nodding her head in agreement]
He said: Is your last name Schab?
And is your parents’ name Roseanne and Terry?
Yeah. How do you know all this?
And he’s like: OK. This is for you. And he
gave me all these tapes on the CIA, underground militia, David
Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Alex Collier, and then some. [laughs]
J: And I just kind of realized that this is never
going to let up. Something is trying to get my attention and
I have to surrender.
K: Did you watch those tapes?
J: I did.
K: OK. And did it change you?
J: Um, I became very, very depressed. Even more so.
Because… again, letting go of everything you think you
know. But then, also it seems to be this huge, scary conspiracy,
like we’re doomed. It’s, you know, this huge control
game going on, and there’s nothing you can do about it,
because you don’t have the power, or the money, or say,
in a sense.
K: And so, what did you do then? How did you go from
there to actually listening to your father?
J: Hmm. Well, after the videos, and after feeling the
way I did about them, and just constant reoccurring of Pleiadians… You
know: OK, Dad, who are the Pleiadians? Why do they want
to get in contact with me?
So I started finding out now, really listening to my dad.
And I wasn’t necessarily open to it, but I wasn’t
necessarily closed. I was just thinking that, ah…: This
is my experience. For whatever reason, life has taken this
turn, and it’s for a reason. So I should… I should
do some investigating.
K: OK. And how old were you at this time?
J: I’d say about 17. Yeah.
J: A year later. And my dad actually started to talk
about his experiences, that he actually was aware of this stuff
before his stroke. It was just a bigger upgrade for him.
But I found out that when he was 8, he was taken up on a UFO,
and the whole family on the farm saw this as well. And they
put a chip in his brain? And this chip… he didn’t
believe that it was actually there. He thought it was a dream
or something until ah, not too long ago.
Before his stroke, I believe that he mentioned, he was in
the hospital. And there was a woman there that… Well,
she seemed to be a nurse, but she wasn’t, ’cause
she went up to my dad right away and she said: You have
to leave. She brought him his clothes. She said: If – they’re
planning on scanning your brain. If they scan your brain, they’ll
find the chip.
And my dad’s like: Wait a second! That’s real?
And she said: This cannot happen. So, come on. It’s
time to go.
But my dad actually didn’t get out on time. So, right
when they were about to scan his brain, the whole hospital
had a blackout. And when the power went back on, the CAT-scan
machine didn’t work. And then, when it did work, it worked
on everybody but him. And that gave him enough time to make
his escape from the hospital.
K: OK. Very interesting. So…
K: Now, this woman… Did she disappear? Was she
still on the…
J: Yeah, she disappeared. My dad went back to find,
you know, who… if he could speak to her again. And she
was only there that one time. She completely vanished.
J: And there’s been a few, actually, events like
that where… These people would come to our door and
my dad would say: Jess, go follow them. And I did.
And they just vanished! [shrugs and raises hands]
K: They just vanished?
J: Yeah. Yeah.
K: So he’d say: Follow them?
J: Right into thin air. I’d turn the corner and
I’d see them… Poof’!
J: And my dad, he would have experiences where… He
could see these beings all the time. He would be in a parking
lot and suddenly all these angels would be surrounding him.
So he had many experiences like that. And he always tried to
interpret it and explain it to us, which was very, very fascinating.
It started to become, you know: OK. Wow. Something is going
on here. And, um…
K: What did your father do for a living before he had
J: My father was a businessman. He had his own company
called Beverly Hill Homes, which he ran with my mother, and
it was very successful. And then… He was a master of
many things, a jack-of-all-trades. In Winterpeg, he built houses.
He designed them, architecture-wise, and he also put it together,
carpentry. And they were very beautiful homes, as well. One,
of which I have fond memories, is the Castle House.
And he also was a chemist. He invented “mendable concrete,” like… Because
he was very honest and trustworthy, he ended up getting taken,
and somebody stole that idea and took it to China. And that
really devastated my mother. They ended up losing all their
money, really having nothing. And then my father, through the
latter years, he made furniture, cutesy kind of furniture.
K: So, you’re in this situation. Your sister has
J: Mm hm.
K: You’re learning about ETs… And what
happened that actually sort of progressed you to where it wasn’t
just your father having experiences but you started to have
J: OK. Wow. Well, while I started to learn about the
ETs, I’m still… I’m actually really still
upset with my father because he left the church and I was still
kinda Christian at that time. Right? Trying to hold onto this!
And so, I kept going to different churches and I felt really
annoyed because I couldn’t find one where I fit in.
And so I decided to explore different religions. And I went
to those churches; still didn’t quite fit in. There was… Something
felt off, and I couldn’t put my finger on it. So then
I went into mysticism because this seemed to be along the lines
of what my dad was talking about, of what it seemed these beings
were trying to relay to me. But still that didn’t quite
feel right and I didn’t quite fit in.
And I knew that to try to… I knew that one day I would
be explaining this to people. So I decided to even explore
atheism. Again, same thing, I still didn’t quite fit
in. But there still…
I couldn’t deny any of them, either, because they all
seemed to be pieces of myself. So what I did was, I started
to embrace all of them. And I realized that I’m not just
one, and to pigeon-hole myself into one is a great disservice.
J: So these new insights started coming through. This
is really where I started to see the world very differently.
And everyday, little, things started to become really big.
For example, one time I came home and I was very upset about
this reoccurring problem – like: Why does this keep
happening to me? And, it’s funny, I don’t
even know what it is to this day. So, really big? Right? [laughing]
But, it popped into my head: Boggle. Go get the game,
Boggle. I’m like: Huh? Boggle? What the heck
does that have to do with anything? [Kerry laughs] That’s
kind of a weird, random tangent.
But, I went and got it. And then I got, you know: Shake
it up, find some words. And I found like ten. And I’m
like: All right. Well, that’s done, and I don’t
really understand the point of this.
And when I put it down, I got up and I turned around, and
I saw the board from another angle? And I saw all these other
words I didn’t see before. I’m like: Wait a
second. AndI walked around. I saw, you know, more from
the other angle, and more from the other angle, till I found,
I think, 55.
And then it said: OK. Well now you know why this problem
keeps reoccurring. You’re only looking at it from one
perspective, one angle.
I was like: Oh my goodness! Wow! And: Where did
this come from?
And then it just popped into my head: Allow us to introduce
ourselves. We are your guides.
And every time I tried to ask them who exactly they were,
I got a different answer. And so I thought at one point they
were playing with me. But, in a sense, they didn’t wanna
be locked into labels. In the beginning, you know, we introduced
myself as a Crystal Child. But, you know, there’s Indigo,
Light-Worker, Star-Seed. And also just Jessica.
K: Uh huh.
J: Right? So, they’re all labels. When it comes
down to it, they’re all pieces of ourself.
K: Mm hm.
J: I mean, in school I was always told that I was stupid,
and I believed it.
K: What? When you say you were told you were stupid,
who told you that?
J: My teachers. Why? Because I was put in the special
classes -- a “slow learner.” [drawing quotation
marks in the air] And the students. And because I was very
dyslexic and I learned very differently…
J: … and I couldn’t see things the way
they did. And also I didn’t have an interest to. It’s
just so boring, you know? This is not going to stimulate the
soul, you know? It starves that part of us.
K: OK. So… but to get back to your story. You’re
in a position where you’re starting to hear from your
guides. You’ve heard stories from your father.
J: Mm hm. [nodding agreement]
K: So at what point were you actually sort of convinced
that possibly what he was seeing was real, and those personages
started to be appearing for you, or become real, for you?
J: They never quite, like, appeared to me in the way
my dad’s did. But, I just started… Like what I
was sharing with… in school about being told I was stupid.
It stayed like that until, you know… That was my paradigm.
That’s what everybody saw me as.
Until one day it dawned on me that, you know, someone’s
opinion of me doesn’t have to be my reality. And when
that happened, everything shifted. Nobody saw me as stupid
anymore. But it doesn’t mean I still don’t have
that part. Like, these are all facets of what makes us human.
So I couldn’t really judge anybody anymore because I
saw myself in each one of them, no matter what they did.
And what really took it to the next level, actually, was [hesitantly] … um… This
is very, very hard to share. But it’s very important
Even though I was starting to become open to it, I was still
very upset with my dad. Because what I wanted more than anything
was just a normal Dad, and… to be a father, and not
to be lost to this world, even though it was exciting. You’re
still a child. And you need that kind of support. So, I might
get a bit emotional about saying this…
K: That’s OK.
J: On Christmas day, the whole family was around, and
I just felt so hurt and upset by my dad that I told him: I
hate you. Why don’t you just die, already? And he
J: Umm, and I…
K: You say he did. Can you be a little more specific
as to how? What happened?
J: A week later he had a brain hemorrhage, and he went
in for brain surgery. And he didn’t recover.
K: OK. So how did you, sort of, view that experience?
J: Well, I knew about how our thoughts create reality
before What the Bleep came out. This information was
being given to me by my dad’s “being”, since
I sat, you know, and listened to what they were saying. I knew
that there’s a huge responsibility to what we’re
putting out, and how powerful it is, that in a sense it is magic.
K: Mm hm.
J: So when I said that, I was so wracked with guilt,
and so mad at myself, and so upset with these beings who were
working with me. I felt that they chose the wrong person to
do this mission, because I demonstrated myself as unworthy.
You get told that this is the power that you have: Your
thoughts create, you know, your reality. Pay attention
to them. And then you go and do something like that, in
so seeming unconscious measure.
K: OK. But did you also allow for the freedom of the
other person? Their… sort of as a sovereign entity?
In other words, that person being your father, having a choice
in whether to die or not?
J: I didn’t see that until later on. See, what
happened was, I didn’t want anything to do with the beings
after that, just because I felt so hurt by what I did that
I… like unworthy, like I said. But they still wouldn’t
leave me alone.
And they said: You don’t understand, You’re
only seeing it from one perspective, you know. You’re
feeling very hard on yourself and it’s not necessary.
You don’t understand on the soul level what’s
occurring. Even though you told him out of anger what you
told him, on a soul level you said, “It’s OK,
Dad. You can go now. We’ll be fine.”
And that I had a contract with him that I would help him go
when the time came. And that he did want to leave, but he didn’t
want to go unless he knew that we would be OK. And I did just
K: OK. So you were able to kind of forgive yourself
and allow for that occurrence to happen, and to have been part
of your reality, in other words?
J: Yes. Yeah.
K: OK. And what about the rest of your family? How did
they view his passing, at that point?
J: It devastated my mother. My mother still hasn’t
recovered from it. My oldest brother just distanced himself
away from the family, like… ’Cause he witnessed
that. I don’t know if he even forgives me to this day
of what I said to Dad, because he can’t understand or
see it the way I do now.
My other brother… he was upset with Dad, too. So, he
actually talked about, you know, just not being happy with
Mom being with Dad. And Steve was too young to really know
what was going on.
K: OK. So your father passed on and you were having
some interactions with various beings and getting information.
K: But what happened after that? Did it increase? Did
J: Oh yeah. It just kept increasing nonstop. I just
had to keep… I felt very, very guided, suddenly, after
my dad passed away, that he planted a whole bunch of seeds
within me, and I needed to take care of all these seeds now.
I needed to make sure they had light and water and…
K: Were you sharing your experiences with your family?
Or was this just private?
J: I could only really share it with my mother. The
other siblings were not open to it at all.
K: And what about school? Friends? School mates?
J: No others, nobody I had at that time. So that’s
why I went on the computer, trying to find people who… Somebody
must have had similar experiences! Someone must know about
this. I can’t be the only one! Not just my family! I
mean, these videos, you know… David Icke, Alex Collier.
They, you know, talk to other people. They find them. So perhaps
I can do the same.
And how many people is this happening to who feel alone, you
know? Who can’t share this because they feel, you know,
crazy? Or they won’t be understood? And that’s
really sad and not fair. You know, we have the right to share
and express what is within us.
So that really drove me. And I spent many nights trying to
find others, to no avail. Until one night I collapsed in front
of the computer. And when I woke up, there… It was in
the middle of the night too. There was this, on the computer
screen. It’s just, like: “Meet other Star-Seeds
and Light-Workers”. I was like: Ohhhh… [big
smile] I hit the mother lode!
And I contacted them all. And we immediately had a strong
connection, like we’ve known each other all our lives.
And I just knew so much about them. And I didn’t really
know how, but it just was so strong.
And it became very exciting, and I decided I wanted to go
and see them. And so I just started to.
It kind of freaked my mother out, because the first one I
wanted to meet was, of all things, a guy. You know, a male
around my age. And you think that, if they’re open to
this information, that they might… They must be The
One! They’re near your age, opposite sex. That’s
all you need!
So I told my mom I’m going to France to meet this guy
I’ve never met but I’m in love with. And I’m
going, even though I know that it’s going to cost about… like
everybody’s telling me three grand, you know, minimum.
I said: I’m going to go for less than $900. And
When I called the travel agent, she said: We have nothing
available – Oh, except this… It just popped
up. It looks like somebody cancelled for three weeks, for,
what was it now? $850.
Yeah. I’m like: That was the one. That’s the
K: OK. And you’ve also done this now… you’ve
sort of followed this kind of pattern since then…
K: …in allowing things to come to you, and knowing…
K: …sort of having a second sense about that?
Is that right?
J: Yeah. It… just a strong trusting. The guidance
just directs you. It’s like the White Rabbit from Alice
J: That’s what it feels like. So you just know
what to do, and that you’ll be fine, you know, and you
can make it happen. I can use all of this stuff that I’ve
been taught, to reverse a lot of the old condition-programming
that is put on us when we’re younger. Right?
And it’s like… It’s NLP [ed. note: Neuro-linguistic
Programming] in a sense, programming your old beliefs and your… if
they’re yours, or where they came from, and
using them to step into your power more and more, and seeing
what you can do.
If these beings say that we’re infinite, you know, and
that we’re these beautiful balls of light, then I want
to experience this. I want to feel this. And you can’t
just read about it. You have to embody it, is what I’ve
come to realize. And not praying or wishing or hoping for peace
and love anymore -- I’ve decided to become it.
You know, it comes to a point in life where you decide: Do
you want to go home, or become home? And
then: Will that bring home to everybody within? That’s
what “The Shift” feels like to me.
K: What I was wondering now, if you could talk a little
bit about the messages that you were getting? And the kind
of beings that were coming to you, if you could describe them?
Maybe specific ones that have particular meaning for you.
J: Well, it’s never been quite specific. Like
I said, they’ve always… Just when I thought I
could pinpoint it: OK. It’s a Pleidi… No,
it would be something different suddenly. So it was never quite
about attaching: OK. This is Jesus. This is Buddha.
It was never about that. It was about the fusion and merging
all of them together and that being God in itself. Right? Playing
all these roles and speaking to us in whatever comfort-belief
that we had. So that was always my approach and perspective
on it, even when understanding what these aliens were – pieces
of ourself as well.
And so, what I started to do was not only test the stuff out
on my life… and I don’t mind sharing those experiences ’cause
they’re quite wild and really fun, especially when people
start trying it out for themselves, and then calling me up
later, going: Oh my goodness.
But, for example, what I found with the extraterrestrials
is, if time doesn’t exist -- past present or future are
all existing at the same time simultaneously -- and this is
an illusion, in a sense time is just a bunch of still-frames.
[makes a square with her hands] And this camera, you know,
it’s not really moving. It’s just a bunch of still-frames.
K: Mm hm.
J: And it’s a trick of the eye. Such is the case
going on within our mind as well, making us perceive.
Then, if we’ve been taught to believe about time – linear,
the way we do now -- then that means there’s aspects
of ourself that is fragmented, so future versions of ourself,
depending on the probability of our thinking.
So, for example, the Grays -- not saying all Grays are like
this -- but when I learned that they actually aren’t
gray at all, that, on a crash, they dissected them and found
that their gray skin was actually our color. And those big
goggles, those big eyes – That’s what they were:
they were goggles. They were a future version of ourself that,
you know… They feel.
When people feel them, they feel very cold and kind of calculated.
And it’s almost like that version of ourself, of the
collective thinking about, you know, the desensitization of
war, and all this cloning and genetic engineering. And the
chemicals in the air made us a little bit disconnected from
who we really were.
Because, you know, some people say that they, you know, they
don’t really feel, they don’t have emotions
in that sense. And that’s an aspect of ourself. And I
would wonder why those ones would…
If you ask any little kid to draw a picture of an alien, it’d
always be the Grays with the big eyes. And what I got from
them was that they came back to kind of prevent us from going
down that path.
And it sounds very bizarre. How can, you know, something from
the future come back to us if time travel doesn’t even
But if an old man has smoked his entire life and he has a
hole in his throat because of it, a lot of the times they get
inspired to go to an elementary school to talk to the kids
and say: Please don’t smoke or you’ll end up
like me. And that’s kind of what I saw with the
So, then I’m like: Now I’m going to play with
the other races. What about the reptiles? Why are people
And for me, everything at first exists within. What happens
inside of us gets mirror-reflected outside. There is a war
going inside of our mind, hence a war going on outside. Even
our body mirrors this in that. What is cancer, really, but
one cell not recognizing another cell that’s on the same
team? And so they fight.
Well, that’s exactly what… You know, the Americans
and the Iraqis and… It’s been played out over
and over. And that’s why the Buddhists were always saying,
you know, peace of mind, meditation, clarity, because…
Oh my goodness! I’m gonna not go on tangents! I’ve
got to watch out for that.
K: OK. Well, don’t worry. It has a through-line.
But what I wanna know is, when you’re talking in this
way, are you talking about information that has come to you…
K: …or the information you’ve read on the
K: Are you putting these two together?
J: [shaking her head negative] No. I couldn’t
really read or study this information that much. More that
just honestly came to me. If I did try to read, I would get
other stuff coming to me. It was almost like, whoever inspired
the person in writing the literature, they were speaking through
You know, in acting there’s the sub-text, reading in-between
the lines? A whole other message behind it. And that’s
kinda what I was always picking up.
I could never read or watch movies the same way as everybody
else. I never got what everybody else got. I always
got something completely different. I never saw things like
everyone else, so…
I mean, that’s like even with reptiles. I don’t
see them like everybody else does. I see them as a manifestation
within our mind because of the reptilian brain. That’s
where the ego is, and where 90% of the negative self-talk comes
from, and the repetition, and that controlling factor in our
I don’t even see the ego as something bad. I see it
as something that is desperate for our attention and feels
like it has a duty to keep us safe. And it’s doing a
good job, but to the point where now it’s making reasons
why we need it. And now we need protection from the protection,
which is mirror-reflected in our society, with our system,
you know. It was there for protection.
J: Now we need protection from that. Even the Pleiadians… They’re
another mirror reflection of ourself in the future. If we step
into our potential, our infinite potential, then we’ll
have that reality probability manifested for us.
So there’s all these [gesturing] laid out for us. And
it’s really up to each one of us, by the inner work that
we do. And we’re responsible, because we are our own
self-fulfilling prophecy. That’s what humanity is, and
they’ve been played.
K: OK. And what is your view if… In other words
when the entities… ah … I guess I wanna say,
when the entities come to you…
J: Uh huh.
K: …and they give you information, do you just
J: No. We have a conversation, almost like. I challenge
them. I always like to challenge them and play with them, because
that seems to be what really stimulates them coming about --
in touch with your inner child, you know, and that creativity.
And wanting to understand why they’re bringing this
about. You know: Why are you sharing this? What is your
intent behind it? And I’ve been able to filter,
right away, ones that are trying to sway, by how they make
you feel about yourself and the world around you: Do you feel
afraid, and that you need to, you know, protect yourself? Or
do you feel more liberated and more compassionate and loving?
J: And that’s how you can decipher through any
message, whatever thing you’re watching.
K: OK. And are you finding that certain beings return
to you more than once? Would you recognize them? Or are you
talking about a general, you know, sort of “heading,” you
know, called “spirit” or “guides”,
or whatever you want to call it.
J: I prefer to use that, even though, yeah, they are
just facets of myself, or you, everybody.
K: Right. But given that they are… If you want
to look at it that way, in terms of… You know, we can
always look at the world in that terminology, but they still
have individuality, to some degree.
J: But I’ve never really focused on that. That
never really interested me so much, because, to me, that seemed
to be a bit of a distraction. I mean, if we’re thinking
about… We argue a lot about Jesus, whether he’s
real or not. And it really doesn’t matter. It was the
message. That’s the bigger picture. So that’s always
what I paid attention to.
And I’m like: Well, even Luke Skywalker… he’s
not real, but boy does he inspire and reach a lot of people. So
that was always the way I would get past all these things,
just to get right to the focal point, for me.
K: OK. So what did they tell you your mission was? Do
J: Mmm. It’s… When you… It doesn’t
really exist. When you can’t, you know, go out and find
a place that says: This is just for Jessica, then
it’s a little bit challenging.
So it was something that they said that I can create. I can
create, with the pieces of what I’m acquiring, how I
see my perspective, to share that with the world. And that
is… but don’t just talk about it, like be it,
and inspire people to find their own truth.
Not to say, you know: You need to believe what I believe ’cause
I’m right and everybody else is wrong. But to
honor where each one is coming from, and to trust themself,
that they have those answers within, that we don’t
need to necessarily look and depend on other people for the
Because that’s kind of what got us into this mess in
the first place. Right? We’re giving our power away to
people or beings that don’t necessarily have our best
intention in mind.
But even that, we should ask: Why don’t they? Where
does that come from? What part of ourself is so
self-destructive that allows us to do this to ourselves?
K: OK. If you were going to talk about the future… And,
you know, a lot of people are talking about 2012, as you know,
and what may be going on in the future. Have you been given
any visions or dreams of the future, or any information about
it from the beings that are contacting you?
J: Definitely. A lot. And I always like to dispense
with this “End of the World” kind of thing. But
I can understand why people see, or are perceiving it, as the
end of the world, because it’s the end of an old way
of living, being, and thinking, that has been around for quite
some time. So, to a lot of people who don’t have imagination,
who can’t see beyond that, then to them it’s the
But in actuality it is something far beyond what we’ve
ever dreamed. In a sense, the best way to understand it is,
you know, “Truth is stranger than fiction”.
And we are going to experience that first-hand with these “paranormal” events
which aren’t even para-normal at all. It’s
just a bleed-through of who we actually are, coming out in
all kinds of different ways. It’s going to be more and
more frequent. And people are gonna start just recognizing
And war cannot continue because we… If I harm you,
right away I’m going to feel that pain. So, say I punched
you in the shoulder? I’m gonna feel it right away in my shoulder.
And it’s going to freak people out at first ’cause
we’ve never really been… Like nobody’s really
taught this to us in school, you know. It’s kind of hush-hush.
It’s taboo in the world, but it’s starting to come
Humanity’s, you know, in their state of amnesia for
such a long time, and now just awakening to what we’ve
always known. And it’s very quantum. It’s very
multidimensional. It’s memories, not just of past lives,
but future lives, multi-dimensional lives, inter-dimensional
lives, lives in between lives. We’ll be able to grasp
that and understand that.
Right now what’s happening is, it’s just stepping-stones
that’s leading us there. And you can’t get attached
or box yourself into one belief. There are no limits, just
beliefs. So you always got to expand on that.
K: OK. So when you say past lives, future lives…
J: Mm hm. [nodding agreement]
K: …etcetera, have you been given a vision of
your own past lives, future lives? Are you saying that this
is something that you think is going to be revealed to you
J: I don’t have very many past lives per se because
I don’t… I know I’ve been human on this
planet. Mainly I’ve been a guide working on the etheric.
So I’m here to help people understand their guides and
the mechanics of how they work, and all the ways they’re
trying to get through to us and relay their message. And so,
My past lives: I’ve had one in Atlantis and one in France.
So, not very many. It is very bizarre to be in a human body
and just getting used to the physical, and the matter kind
of thing. But it’s a huge honor to be in the physical
form on Earth at this time.
And I’ve been taken… and I’ve seen this
line-up of souls that just can’t wait to be here on Earth
at this time. And that’s actually why the planet is over-populated.
It’s because of the excitement from all the souls.
And this planet is like a Harvard University for Creators-in-Training.
And it’s one of the greatest honors to be in physical
form during this time, because it’s the merge of spirit
and matter working together, and going, and having these kinds
Because it’s very different… I mean, I can speak
about this other side. I can explain to you how they interpret
us. It’s almost like we are a “reality show” to
them. And what we do affects them, as well. It’s like
a huge ripple effect. It’s all a microcosm of a macrocosm,
as we step into that.
K: OK. So can you talk about specific events in the
future? Or is it completely unwritten, in your view?
J: It’s not necessarily specific events, because
it’s… again, it’s on the collective term.
But I just… whenever I think about it or tap into it,
I just see a very different world from here.
I see people more connecting with nature, understanding the
wisdom that’s there that, you know, that… It’s
never lied to you – Nature -- and it never will. Because
it has no game to take power over. It has no desire to do anything
like that. It just gives abundantly.
And we will discover ourselves through that. And it’s
just going to be nothing but beauty, to be honest.
There’s no doom or gloom or fear or anything like that.
And call yourself on that, and ask yourself: Why? Why are you
getting that? Where is that coming from? Is that you? Or is
that an outside influence?
K: OK. And if there was something you could tell people
that, you know… Because we’ve spent almost an
hour with you here, and we’re gonna kind of wrap this
up. But if there’s something you could tell people that
you feel maybe hasn’t been said so far, what would that
J: Be aware of what you’re projecting out into
the world. Constantly be aware of your thoughts. And be gentle,
and kinder to yourself. It’s really just that.
The reason I am here right now, sharing, is because you hear
about the younger generation that, you know, these Crystals,
and the Indigos, but where are they? Well, we’re
here now. And your children, they know all about this. And
I’m also inspiring and having… I’m almost
like a pioneer that’s allowing the other children to
come forth and speak and share.
But it’s not just “children”-children. It’s
also each person’s inner child. And that, when
we balance and merge our divine masculine and our divine feminine
-- since masculine has been the energy that’s
ruling the planet for quite some time, and now feminine energy
is starting to take back its power -- but no one has been,
you know, put down more than the inner child. And it’s
time for them to step to the plate.
It even mentions this in the Bible: Only one that possesses
the heart of a child may enter the Kingdom. And:
A child will lead the way. And what I gather from this
A child is like our sunshine. That’s what we call our
children: You are my sunshine. And when we merge that
masculine and feminine within us, there is peace. Then the
union happens -- the inner child is birthed. And that brings
such a bright light within us that…
When I see the stars, it’s a mirror of, you know, we
are light in dark places as well. And when these lights all
recognize each other, we all come together in one, then it
looks a lot like the big bright light. Like the sun. Or God’s
son, if you will. The return of God’s son.
And the other thing I really wanted to share with you is our
perspective on the Illuminati or any kind of forces that are
causing a lot of discord -- to understand that humanity is
conditioned to believe they’re a worthless piece of coal
under extreme heat and pressure. And the heat and pressure
can be perceived as the Illuminati, or anything that causes
What happens to a piece of coal under extreme heat and pressure?
It becomes a diamond. So they’re doing us a service,
in helping us step in and take back our power. There’s
a major motivation force that is alchemy, even if humanity’s
a sea of potential and in order to grow into its loveliness
it needs a lot of fertilizer dumped on it -- shit.
I wanted to also say about the Illuminati, that I really see
them as a bully in high school, that they’re very insecure
and very afraid, more so of us than we are of them. And, to
me, I just see them as the Wizard of Oz, that they’re
smoke and mirrors, “great and powerful.” But when
you get to the root and the heart of the matter, it’s
a frail old man behind the curtain.
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