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Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:46.64,0:00:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is the most important issue in my view
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:51.04,0:00:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in human history.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:54.38,0:00:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not merely
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:57.76,0:00:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're not alone
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:59.16,0:01:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have never been alone.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:01.26,0:01:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, it's lucky like I said that I didn't end up in jail
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:04.34,0:01:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I drove my friends up the wall.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:06.97,0:01:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I pushed my security clearance to the limit.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:11.57,0:01:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I use to get into classified file cabinets,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:16.06,0:01:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort through material and look for photographs
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:18.72,0:01:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reproduce things that should not have been reproduced.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:22.47,0:01:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there had been a threat from these guys
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:26.06,0:01:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whoever these guys were,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:28.39,0:01:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would have been over a long time ago
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:30.91,0:01:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As one of our old Generals use to say,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:32.99,0:01:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"they could have cleaned our clock"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:35.46,0:01:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the beginning.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:37.58,0:01:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...because when we started shooting at them
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:40.60,0:01:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had a unique way
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:42.73,0:01:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of eliminating all of the electrical systems in our aircraft.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:46.81,0:01:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...that these guys could be walking up and down
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:48.77,0:01:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the corridors of SHAPE headquarters
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:51.52,0:01:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the Pentagon
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:53.93,0:01:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the White House.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:55.21,0:01:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Were they?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:57.00,0:02:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I have always suspected that yes, they have been.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:02.36,0:02:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you tell Christian Fundamentalists
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:04.75,0:02:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that lovely man from Galilee two thousand years ago
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:08.77,0:02:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a part of that program?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:11.10,0:02:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...at me and he went over to the vault
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:13.11,0:02:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he pulled this thing out and he said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:15.17,0:02:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,threw it on my desk and he says,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:16.62,0:02:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, this will wake you up, Read this."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:23.41,0:02:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was "The Assessment"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:24.68,0:02:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said when the old man read that story, or that report,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:28.65,0:02:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Assessment,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:30.41,0:02:33.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said it hit him like a truck, hit him like a ton of bricks.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:35.48,0:02:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told me that the general threw his hat across the desk and he says,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:38.84,0:02:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you know what the hell this means?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:42.48,0:02:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything we've got, everything we've done, everything we've had --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:46.87,0:02:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't mean a damn thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:49.10,0:02:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...monumental aggravation and frustration
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:54.13,0:02:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the government had continued over all these years
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:58.06,0:02:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to lie to the people.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:59.94,0:03:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You're a real hero, you know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:01.66,0:03:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a real hero in a lot of people's eyes
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:04.11,0:03:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you came forward at a time and said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:07.49,0:03:12.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I've signed an oath but you know, it doesn't matter, come get me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:12.75,0:03:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to tell the truth because people need to know."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:15.58,0:03:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-  I've said it, and I'll say it again,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:17.62,0:03:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I shared it with Bill downstairs:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:20.72,0:03:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believed from the beginning, and I still hold deeply in my heart,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:26.38,0:03:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is the greatest story in human history.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:31.08,0:03:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a story of who we are, how we came to be here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:35.69,0:03:39.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what kind of a species we are and where we're going.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:39.79,0:03:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is the most important issue in my view
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:44.14,0:03:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in human history.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:47.50,0:03:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not merely that we're not alone,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:52.14,0:03:55.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we have never been alone.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:55.76,0:04:00.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have had what I have shared many times.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:00.61,0:04:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have had an intimate interrelationship
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:02.97,0:04:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with advanced extraterrestrial intelligence
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:06.01,0:04:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the beginning of human history.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:10.47,0:04:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is dynamite.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:13.65,0:04:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've tried to share what I've learned
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:15.55,0:04:20.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I told Bill earlier I will tell you what I've seen,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:20.68,0:04:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I've learned and what I've concluded.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:25.09,0:04:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This will probably be... I really
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:27.22,0:04:31.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sincerely believe that this will be my last interview.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:32.03,0:04:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I will share with you things that I strongly believe
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:35.50,0:04:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and strongly hold
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:38.09,0:04:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that even today, it's the greatest story in human history.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:44.69,0:04:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It involves who we are; it involves what we are as a species.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:50.80,0:04:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It involves how we came to be.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:54.66,0:04:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now for many, many years, I held to the view that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:58.16,0:05:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once we could get this out,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:00.45,0:05:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many of us who are military
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:04.09,0:05:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would say what we've seen,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:05.41,0:05:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we've learned, what we've concluded.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:07.19,0:05:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Experiences we've had personally
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:09.92,0:05:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I kept naively thinking, ah,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:12.71,0:05:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once we get it out, the public is going to clamor for more.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:17.50,0:05:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh tell us more, tell us more, tell us more".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:21.34,0:05:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the government would respond by
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:23.88,0:05:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opening up and telling the public the truth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:27.71,0:05:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, forgive me; I certainly have learned my lesson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:32.64,0:05:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That didn't happen and I believe it isn't about to happen
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:37.19,0:05:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the story is simply too big.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:41.56,0:05:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This involves
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:44.42,0:05:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our origins as a species, as a race.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:48.76,0:05:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've almost reached the point where I am
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:50.85,0:05:54.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sympathizing with the government for not telling the truth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:54.13,0:05:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm to a point where I sympathize with the government
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:57.91,0:06:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by saying that the masses of people out there
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:00.72,0:06:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably are not ready for the truth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:03.99,0:06:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That the masses of people
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:05.43,0:06:08.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably couldn't handle the truth,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:08.97,0:06:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the truth is incredible.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:13.88,0:06:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's dynamite.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:16.05,0:06:18.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I use an analogy about Pandora's box,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:18.77,0:06:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know you're familiar with the old Greek legend.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:23.72,0:06:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This alien issue, this extraterrestrial presence issue,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:29.57,0:06:34.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like Pandora's box. You can't open it just a tiny bit.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:34.98,0:06:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cant just open the lid and let a little bit out
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:39.45,0:06:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because if you open the box...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:41.43,0:06:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boom! Everything is going to come out.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:44.49,0:06:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The masses of people are going to demand
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:48.09,0:06:51.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more, more, more and more.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:51.65,0:06:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I believe they have a right to,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:54.68,0:07:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that mass of information and fact
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:00.81,0:07:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is going to be earthshaking, literally earthshaking.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:04.45,0:07:07.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Wouldn't you consider yourself something of an ordinary person?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:07.85,0:07:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean obviously you're fairly extraordinary.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:10.42,0:07:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I've always thought of myself as a typical ordinary guy, yes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:14.02,0:07:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- All right, and you handle it. So why...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:17.21,0:07:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Not easily.\N- Not easily... really.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:19.91,0:07:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:20.51,0:07:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Can you tell me what it was like?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:21.81,0:07:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Let me tell you that....
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:23.03,0:07:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- When you first found out....\N- I've been at this for over 40 years.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:25.55,0:07:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:26.44,0:07:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- When I first began to get some information of what was involved here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:32.02,0:07:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that to me was like a drug addict.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:36.40,0:07:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I've never taken drugs. Well, I smoke a little,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:40.16,0:07:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I drink coffee, and I have a little bourbon now and then.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:43.59,0:07:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I tell you, I've never taken hard drugs.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:46.05,0:07:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:47.25,0:07:51.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It was almost like an addict, once I learned,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:51.66,0:07:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,officially, from government documents
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:55.54,0:07:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what was taking place, what was happening.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:58.80,0:08:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My God, I couldn't get enough! I couldn't learn enough.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:02.48,0:08:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was voracious to get more and more and more.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:07.68,0:08:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I became a nuisance to my friends.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:10.03,0:08:13.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a wonder I was able to retire honorably
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:13.31,0:08:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without ending up in Fort Leavenworth,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:15.44,0:08:18.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a disciplinary barracks, by the way.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:18.11,0:08:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a prison, military prison.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:20.90,0:08:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's amazing that I've gotten to this
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:22.74,0:08:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,point in my life without going to jail.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:25.31,0:08:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay. ...were you highly respected
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:27.52,0:08:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the time when you discovered this information?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:30.02,0:08:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you say that in your career as a military...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:32.84,0:08:37.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yes, I had been given a Cosmic Top Secret clearance.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:37.79,0:08:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:38.41,0:08:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Which was and still is the highest
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:40.60,0:08:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security classification that NATO has.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:43.47,0:08:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but... Cosmic Top Secret.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:46.50,0:08:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did that mean to you that you
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:48.31,0:08:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were going to be able to be let in on the secrets
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:50.89,0:08:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our extraterrestrial relations with other planets?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:56.25,0:09:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, it simply meant that I was given access
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:00.65,0:09:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a military document,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:03.21,0:09:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a study that NATO conducted from 1961 to 1964.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:10.02,0:09:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I got to SHAPE in Paris in 1963,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:15.17,0:09:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I learned of a study that was underway.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:20.47,0:09:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd had had a Top Secret clearance when I arrived,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:23.46,0:09:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you had to have to get to that particular assignment.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:27.28,0:09:29.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a rather choice assignment, by the way --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:29.54,0:09:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paris, in those days.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:31.27,0:09:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I took my family. My kids went to high school in Paris.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:35.26,0:09:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a choice assignment, and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:38.16,0:09:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not everybody got that assignment.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:40.08,0:09:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You were selected and you were analyzed
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:44.02,0:09:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you had to have so many little pluses in your box
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:48.09,0:09:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:49.44,0:09:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So but, Top Secret way back then?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:52.19,0:09:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean were you naive? Did you have no idea...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:55.35,0:09:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, no, no.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:55.91,0:09:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...when you first came across this information?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:57.29,0:10:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I had some suspicions, and I was curious
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:01.70,0:10:03.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the extraterrestrial issue.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:03.63,0:10:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So you'd had suspicions way back --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:05.02,0:10:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh yes. Oh yes
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:05.75,0:10:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- what is this, in the 1960s you had suspicions.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:08.36,0:10:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, I went into the Army in 1950.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:10.42,0:10:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:11.46,0:10:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I paid attention, and I used to read a lot,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:16.85,0:10:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I always had a nagging suspicion that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:18.92,0:10:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was something more going on out there
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:20.84,0:10:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than we were being told.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:22.88,0:10:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you know about underground bases at that point?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:25.24,0:10:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, not at that time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:27.15,0:10:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now being exposed to this SHAPE study in 1964
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:32.54,0:10:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was simply the appetizer for me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:39.39,0:10:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It opened my mind to the point that, oh my God, this is real!
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:46.11,0:10:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only did I see reports and studies and analyses,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:48.97,0:10:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and photographs, there were autopsy reports
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:51.88,0:10:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was able to study.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:54.42,0:10:57.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because there had been crashes and retrievals of bodies,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:57.15,0:10:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the rest of it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:57.87,0:10:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So how many pages was the report?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:59.84,0:11:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh, the study itself was about an inch and a half thick.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:03.31,0:11:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh, so it was like a book?\N- Yes. Well, it was supplemented,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:08.14,0:11:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supported by about 10 inches of appendices
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:12.14,0:11:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, what do they call them...annexes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:14.39,0:11:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Really?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:15.10,0:11:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- There were ten of them.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:17.67,0:11:21.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the study had laid out the problem,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:21.65,0:11:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as any military study will do. It laid out the problem,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:24.54,0:11:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the purpose and the meaning of the study
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:27.11,0:11:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some of the conclusions of the study,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:29.80,0:11:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it referred to the annexes,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:31.67,0:11:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were the ones that had all the details.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:34.08,0:11:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I see.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:34.85,0:11:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- For example, there was an annex on retrieval of bodies
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:37.95,0:11:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and autopsies -- with photographs.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:41.58,0:11:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So once I got a chance to go through this thing
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:46.32,0:11:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my Cosmic clearance, that allowed me the access
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:49.13,0:11:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to it, in the vault.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:51.05,0:11:52.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- At any time you can go back in there?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:52.85,0:11:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well any time I was on duty in SHOC.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:57.66,0:12:00.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SHAPE is Supreme Headquarters of Allied Forces in Europe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:00.35,0:12:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SHOC is the Supreme Headquarters Operations Center.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:04.06,0:12:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a war room. I worked in there regularly.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:08.17,0:12:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ran duty rosters. I was a Senior NCO at the time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:12.34,0:12:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a Senior Master Sergeant at the time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:15.42,0:12:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my clearance allowed me...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:19.13,0:12:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a desk in SHOC. I had a desk in the operations center
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:23.28,0:12:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over in the corner,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:24.91,0:12:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I ran the duty rosters and I was in charge
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:28.13,0:12:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of giving assignments and all
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:30.24,0:12:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to all of the lower enlisted men.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:33.19,0:12:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I even ran a duty roster for the controllers,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:36.51,0:12:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were O-6 rank.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:38.82,0:12:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,colonels, captains in the Navy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:41.88,0:12:45.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were in the middle of a bloody cold war.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:45.23,0:12:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, so it was during the Cold War.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:47.62,0:12:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- This was in 1960...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:49.69,0:12:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I arrived in '63.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:52.46,0:12:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The study was completed in '64.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:56.83,0:13:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Warsaw Pact and NATO were lined up along a
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:01.28,0:13:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,divided Europe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:03.38,0:13:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were bristling with arms. We had fifty divisions here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:08.64,0:13:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Soviets and the Warsaw Pact had a hundred divisions here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:13.14,0:13:17.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,World War III was just moments away.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:17.15,0:13:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how close it was.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:19.41,0:13:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Young people today like yourselves cannot imagine
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:21.88,0:13:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what that would be like.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:23.19,0:13:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So this is a serious desk that you'd got.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:26.06,0:13:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words it's a lot of responsibility.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:28.46,0:13:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, I worked in the War Room. I had access to the vault
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:31.70,0:13:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my clearance allowed me there.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:33.66,0:13:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So we're in the middle of what's called the Cold War,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:36.57,0:13:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're reading about our relationships
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:39.88,0:13:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and interactions with alien races.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:41.68,0:13:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, let me give you some reason
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:43.04,0:13:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first of all why this study was concluded.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:46.42,0:13:50.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In February of 1961 there was a massive flyover
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:50.28,0:13:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of unidentified objects,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:52.96,0:13:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming out of the East from the Soviet Warsaw Pact area,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:56.79,0:14:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flying towards the West, coming over our lines, over
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:01.15,0:14:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NATO lines, over Germany, over France.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:04.87,0:14:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These objects were very high, very fast,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:08.60,0:14:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in formation, obviously under intelligent control
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:13.61,0:14:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were circular disc shaped.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:15.76,0:14:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Did you see it?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:16.93,0:14:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I didn't, no.\N- Was it filmed?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:19.00,0:14:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I wasn't there in '61.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:20.52,0:14:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh, was it filmed?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:21.75,0:14:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh yes, we had film of it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:23.94,0:14:24.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Really.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:24.41,0:14:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The point is that Gordon Copper...\N- How many were there?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:26.35,0:14:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...who I'm sure you're familiar with,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:27.77,0:14:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- one of our famous astronauts...\N- Yes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:30.44,0:14:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...from the old years, Gordon's gone now.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:33.42,0:14:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Gordon shared with me one time and then he
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:35.55,0:14:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shared it publicly. He said, "When I flew
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:38.50,0:14:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over Germany in the 50s..."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:41.76,0:14:45.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says, "We'd see these things all the time."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:45.01,0:14:48.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says, "We wondered what they were, because it was..."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:48.59,0:14:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously they were under intelligent control.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:51.91,0:14:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would fly over our lines or they'd come out
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:55.94,0:14:58.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Soviet sector flying west.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:58.55,0:15:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, over Germany, France, England.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:01.83,0:15:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'd turn north over the southern coast of England,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:05.44,0:15:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they would disappear off of NATO radar
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:09.53,0:15:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the Norwegian sea.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:11.44,0:15:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay and you knew, or I assume, the government figured out
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:14.87,0:15:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they weren't Soviet. Is that right?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:16.72,0:15:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The government didn't know
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:18.41,0:15:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the very beginning -- at least NATO didn't
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:20.90,0:15:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they were.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:22.32,0:15:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We thought they were Soviets for a time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:24.92,0:15:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We learned that the Soviets thought they belonged to us.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:27.74,0:15:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:28.87,0:15:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But they were very high,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:30.00,0:15:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very obviously under intelligent control
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:32.50,0:15:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in formation and they would come sometimes en masse.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:36.86,0:15:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The flyover in February of '61 was a couple hundred of them...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:41.92,0:15:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they couldn't count them.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:43.41,0:15:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they thought, oh my God! World War III has started here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:46.36,0:15:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Exactly. Didn't the base at that point aim and shoot?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:49.76,0:15:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Everybody got on alert. We didn't have the capability
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:54.73,0:15:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to shoot because they were too high, and they were too fast.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:59.04,0:16:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in those days we did not have the aircraft
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:01.73,0:16:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor the weaponry to deal with this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:04.72,0:16:07.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they were obviously always under intelligent control.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:07.97,0:16:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is why the study was put into effect?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:10.33,0:16:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The study was initiated in '61.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:13.83,0:16:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I arrived in '63. It was concluded and published in '64.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:19.28,0:16:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that, as I said, what's changed my life.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:22.68,0:16:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, what was the conclusion?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:24.17,0:16:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You said they came to some conclusions?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:26.01,0:16:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The study was designed initially to determine
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:29.25,0:16:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there was a threat to Allied Forces in Europe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:33.75,0:16:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a military study, a simple beginning.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:36.71,0:16:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the hell is going on? Is there a threat here?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:40.13,0:16:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Is there? Was there?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:41.35,0:16:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- They concluded after three years, apparently not.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:45.99,0:16:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No threat.\N- Really?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:47.35,0:16:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That's right. Now the reason they concluded that is
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:50.69,0:16:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first of all, the technology that they had been exposed to,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:55.34,0:17:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the technology that had been repeatedly demonstrated
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:00.49,0:17:04.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to our military, to the Soviets, to everybody,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:04.91,0:17:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was so far beyond anything we had or even could imagine,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:09.80,0:17:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the technology was almost out of this world.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:13.16,0:17:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No pun intended. So if there had been a threat
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:19.90,0:17:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from these guys, whoever these guys were,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:23.18,0:17:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would have been over a long time ago.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:25.57,0:17:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As one of our old generals use to say,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:28.05,0:17:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"they could have cleaned our clock"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:30.28,0:17:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the very beginning.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:32.11,0:17:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they demonstrated, repeatedly,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:35.36,0:17:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology that we couldn't even begin to touch.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:37.99,0:17:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay this in the '60's?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:39.97,0:17:42.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But didn't Eisenhower have a meeting
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:42.61,0:17:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make a treaty with these people long before that time?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:46.60,0:17:48.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Let me get back here and tell you that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:48.71,0:17:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this study was the beginning for me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:50.85,0:17:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:51.39,0:17:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It opened the doors of my mind, so to speak.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:55.06,0:17:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could never leave it, I could never lay it down,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:57.76,0:18:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could never walk away from it after that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:00.70,0:18:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I kept over the years learning more
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:03.37,0:18:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and studying more and as I said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:04.83,0:18:07.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's lucky I didn't end up in jail.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:07.33,0:18:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I drove my friends up the wall,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:10.15,0:18:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I pushed my security clearance to the limit.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:14.68,0:18:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to get into classified file cabinets and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:19.22,0:18:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sort through material and look for photographs and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:22.19,0:18:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reproduce things that I should not have been reproduced.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:25.45,0:18:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a damn nuisance, I'm sure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:27.22,0:18:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So where is this stuff that you... ?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:29.01,0:18:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, I knew just this much but I wanted to know this much.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:32.71,0:18:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I understand.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:33.46,0:18:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And over the years I learned this much
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:37.00,0:18:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but what happened to all that stuff you photocopied or whatever?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:39.65,0:18:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh my God.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:41.63,0:18:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Is that a secret?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:43.13,0:18:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that part of the reason you haven't been...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:45.59,0:18:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The material that I photocopied
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:48.58,0:18:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have any more because being somewhat intelligent,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:53.60,0:18:57.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I knew that having classified material in my possession
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:57.65,0:19:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was not authorized to have, meant jail
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:01.26,0:19:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as I jokingly said, going to Fort Leavenworth for 30 years.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:07.02,0:19:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I destroyed it, but I put it here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:10.56,0:19:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:11.89,0:19:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And I remembered, and I memorized,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:15.32,0:19:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I kept notes for years and years.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:19.06,0:19:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a whole series of notes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:20.97,0:19:24.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, to get back to my question, though.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:24.51,0:19:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Eisenhower had a meeting theoretically with aliens.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:27.60,0:19:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Truman had given a shoot down order
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:30.76,0:19:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years before you ever read the studies.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:32.75,0:19:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Eisenhower never gave that order.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:34.57,0:19:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was was given by an Air Force general.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:37.40,0:19:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't remember the year, but I believe it was in
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:40.10,0:19:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the early '60's
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:42.10,0:19:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that an Air Force general gave an order to shoot them down.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:46.67,0:19:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That order was revoked within 90 days because...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:51.26,0:19:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...lost something like 30 aircraft.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:54.55,0:19:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because when we started shooting at them,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:57.69,0:19:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had a unique way
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:59.70,0:20:04.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of eliminating all of the electrical systems in our aircraft.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:04.46,0:20:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't shoot bullets at us.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:06.90,0:20:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We shot bullets at them, and missiles and everything else.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:10.66,0:20:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if we attacked them, they had an incredible scientific
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:16.63,0:20:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,procedure where they could literally nullify all of the electrical
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:21.25,0:20:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,operations in our aircraft.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:23.58,0:20:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now if you're flying a high performance jet,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:26.61,0:20:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're at 30,000 feet going 400-500 mph
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:31.12,0:20:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of a sudden everything goes dead.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:36.79,0:20:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jet pilots used to share that flying one of those
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:40.87,0:20:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,100 series planes was like flying an anvil.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:45.60,0:20:48.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had no glide capability.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:48.19,0:20:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were heavy, they were overly armed and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:51.84,0:20:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were heavy aircraft.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:53.33,0:20:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only thing keeping them in the sky was a powerful jet engine
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:58.24,0:21:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kept them going. So if they lost all of their electrical controls,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:03.12,0:21:06.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they couldn't even steer, for God's sake.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:06.48,0:21:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The plane -- as I said -- just fell like an anvil.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:10.26,0:21:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we lost a lot of aircraft, a lot of guys got out,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:13.54,0:21:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they bailed out in time. A lot of planes were lost.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:17.11,0:21:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We lost a few pilots. Now that order
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:20.77,0:21:24.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to shoot them down was revoked within 90 days.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:24.01,0:21:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:24.87,0:21:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And they never issued that again
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:27.51,0:21:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they learned their lesson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:29.32,0:21:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't mess with these guys.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:31.39,0:21:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but you're telling me that you read a report
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:34.66,0:21:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which the military states that their technology is
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:37.83,0:21:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not up to par so they can't compete
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:40.89,0:21:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people that are flying over invading their airspace,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:43.86,0:21:46.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,etc, etc. They don't know...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:46.20,0:21:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, I'm assuming they didn't know
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:48.51,0:21:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what their MO [modus operandi] was,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:51.16,0:21:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they didn't know what they were there to do, right?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:53.51,0:21:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Let me tell you briefly what the conclusion of this
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:55.90,0:21:57.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three year study was.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:57.16,0:21:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They concluded that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:58.41,0:22:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apparently there was not a threat involved,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:01.48,0:22:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because their repeated demonstrations of technology
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:04.03,0:22:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were so beyond anything we could do or match,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:07.65,0:22:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if they were angry at us or were hostile, it'd be over.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:12.74,0:22:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but the logic of that is not... it doesn't fit.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:16.43,0:22:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Let me continue...\N- Just because you can't compete...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:18.45,0:22:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't mean it's not a threat.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:19.46,0:22:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It could still be a threat.\N- Let me go on.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:22.06,0:22:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It could be an implied threat.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:23.27,0:22:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- This three year study did not find any example
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:28.13,0:22:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of overt hostility on their part.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:30.46,0:22:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:31.49,0:22:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- They were not shooting our planes down.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:34.93,0:22:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would shoot at them but they would
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:37.76,0:22:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pooh-pooh, it's like throwing little
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:39.53,0:22:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pebbles at somebody, see?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:43.04,0:22:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They concluded after the three year study that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:46.25,0:22:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were dealing not with one group.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:47.95,0:22:52.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were dealing with at least four separate groups.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:52.85,0:22:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Photographs of crashes, retrievals, landings and contacts,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:58.48,0:23:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they had landed and contacted people,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:02.34,0:23:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indicated that they were humanoid, all four different groups.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:07.12,0:23:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Out of the four different groups, all humanoid,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:09.84,0:23:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one group was so human looking,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:13.46,0:23:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like us. They could sit down next to us in a restaurant,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:17.21,0:23:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could sit next to you in a theater,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:19.53,0:23:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you would never know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:22.33,0:23:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the ones that bothered
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:24.42,0:23:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the admirals and the generals the most:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:27.13,0:23:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these guys could be walking up and down the
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:29.53,0:23:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,corridors of SHAPE headquarters
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:31.83,0:23:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the Pentagon
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:34.21,0:23:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the White House.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:35.58,0:23:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Were they?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:37.26,0:23:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I have always suspected that yes, they have been.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:41.43,0:23:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay... had you met any?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:43.05,0:23:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I met a couple that I am convinced were from somewhere else, yes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:47.32,0:23:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:47.90,0:23:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But that's another story,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:49.16,0:23:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'd be here until midnight if I got into that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:52.34,0:23:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me finish what I was telling you about the SHAPE study.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:55.83,0:23:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Assessment concluded
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:59.04,0:24:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were dealing with incredibly advanced technology.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:02.56,0:24:05.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were dealing with four different groups, all humanoid,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:05.74,0:24:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but one group looked totally human.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:08.51,0:24:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We concluded in this study that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:10.96,0:24:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were from somewhere else.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:13.16,0:24:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another planet, another star system,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:15.82,0:24:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps another galaxy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:18.83,0:24:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We concluded that they did not...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:21.24,0:24:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were not malevolent or hostile -- overtly.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:26.58,0:24:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They certainly were able to defend themselves.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:30.17,0:24:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they did not have an agenda,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:32.11,0:24:35.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have an aggressive agenda, that was hostile,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:35.74,0:24:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they had not smashed and torn and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:40.00,0:24:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broken and destroyed our military.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:43.36,0:24:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And this is prior to the abduction scenario
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:46.08,0:24:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has since come to the forefront?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:47.37,0:24:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh yeah. This was the initial study in '64
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:52.09,0:24:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on three years of research by the military.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:55.11,0:24:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Now, who did the study?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:56.16,0:24:57.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The military.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:57.01,0:24:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But who in the military?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:58.26,0:25:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm assuming you weren't part of this?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:00.28,0:25:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No I wasn't. I was working in the War Room at SHOC.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:03.57,0:25:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I mean was it the Americans? Was it the Germans? Was it the...?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:07.13,0:25:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The study was under way when I arrived.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:10.12,0:25:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was made up of NATO members.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:13.12,0:25:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were Germans involved, there were French involved.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:16.06,0:25:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were Italians involved...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:18.02,0:25:19.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Scientists?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:19.01,0:25:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ...and Americans. They went to some universities
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:21.71,0:25:23.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and got some of the top people.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:23.91,0:25:27.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They got historians from Oxford, Cambridge.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:27.61,0:25:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They got physicists from several
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:29.89,0:25:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the top universities in Europe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:32.73,0:25:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a thorough study.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:34.41,0:25:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Was it signed by their... in other words,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:36.47,0:25:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did they sign off on this study? Do you have names?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:39.16,0:25:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The individuals who contributed to it, in bits and pieces,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:45.05,0:25:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would put initials, you know, to their particular part to it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:49.26,0:25:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would have anthropologists, historians, geologists.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:55.50,0:25:57.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but do you know their names?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:57.51,0:25:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if you are going to tell me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:58.73,0:26:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, I know the names of the guys that I was with
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:01.42,0:26:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at SHAPE headquarters who read the damn thing,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:04.01,0:26:05.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and signed off in it, yes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:05.89,0:26:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay what about the ones that worked in the study itself?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:08.57,0:26:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, I never kept those names,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:11.80,0:26:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because as I said this was classified.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:14.05,0:26:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I had ever been caught with a piece of paper from this study,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:18.28,0:26:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could have gone to jail.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:19.97,0:26:23.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But someone you were working with gave you this to read.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:23.93,0:26:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, I'll tell you how that happened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:27.42,0:26:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One morning, one or two in the morning,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:30.67,0:26:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were on these long shifts.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:34.64,0:26:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm bored to death. The coffee was so black you couldn't drink it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:38.98,0:26:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The phones are not ringing. The telegraphs were not going off.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:43.80,0:26:46.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was boring as hell. It happens a lot.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:46.67,0:26:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The old story is: military life is 99% boredom and 1% total disaster,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:55.11,0:26:57.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,total terror.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:57.40,0:27:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we were going through the 99% boredom, you know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:01.51,0:27:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm sitting there nodding off, and read old newspapers,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:05.70,0:27:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,magazines and all.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:07.95,0:27:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The controller on duty at the time was an Air Force bird colonel,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:11.64,0:27:16.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we called a O-6. All controllers were 6-level,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:16.49,0:27:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I ran their duty roster.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:19.43,0:27:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He looked at me and went over to the vault
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:21.59,0:27:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he pulled this thing out and threw it on my desk and he says,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:26.29,0:27:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, this will wake you up. Read this."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:31.44,0:27:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was The Assessment,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:34.40,0:27:37.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it dealt with UFOs,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:37.03,0:27:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it concluded that there were extraterrestrials coming here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:42.29,0:27:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had been coming a very long time;
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:45.85,0:27:50.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes estimates of a thousand years, two thousands years.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:50.63,0:27:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Historical records in The Assessment itself
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:53.11,0:27:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indicated that the Romans had been paying attention to them
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:56.46,0:27:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two thousand years ago.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:58.59,0:28:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm going through this thing and history
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:00.59,0:28:03.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was one of my majors when I was in college.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:03.65,0:28:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good God, this is dynamite!
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:06.20,0:28:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more I read, the more I wanted to read,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:08.45,0:28:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I went through the whole damn thing,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:10.41,0:28:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then later every time I was on duty in SHOC
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:13.87,0:28:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would go over to the vault, pull it out, go through it again.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:18.34,0:28:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So did you have conversations with this... ?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:21.56,0:28:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We had limited conversations, because you could not discuss
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:25.19,0:28:28.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,classified material outside of SHOC
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:28.65,0:28:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there were too many ears.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:31.78,0:28:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were having a problem in those days.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:33.97,0:28:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me give you another little side-bit, here, of history.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:37.84,0:28:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were in the middle of a vast French spy ring,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:42.24,0:28:44.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which if you really want to do the follow up on that,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:44.66,0:28:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get a book by Leon Uris called Topaz.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:49.63,0:28:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh, cool.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:50.78,0:28:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It was made into a movie, That's right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:53.84,0:28:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Uris laid it out. A French spy ring was going on in Paris.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:59.12,0:29:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was there at the time, and we would find
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:03.60,0:29:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,French Air Force officers.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:06.28,0:29:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We found a French general one time in the woods
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:08.82,0:29:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside of SHAPE with a bullet hole in his head.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:12.50,0:29:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Guys were jumping out of apartments in Paris.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:16.58,0:29:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a major scandal, de Gaulle was the president...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:19.98,0:29:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay but what was the objective of the spy ring?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:22.25,0:29:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The spy ring was Soviet,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:25.53,0:29:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find out what we knew that they didn't know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:29.23,0:29:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they had been buying and paying off people
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:33.75,0:29:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all over Europe: Hungarians, French, Germans.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:37.28,0:29:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So what has that to do with finding The Assessment papers?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:39.68,0:29:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What it's got to do with it is the UFO issue.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:43.82,0:29:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No information ever came from Washington
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:46.66,0:29:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or London to SHAPE headquarters on the UFO matter
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:51.02,0:29:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the French spy ring.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:53.06,0:29:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything that came from Washington and London
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:56.65,0:30:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Paris ended up in Moscow.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:00.23,0:30:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the NATO Headquarters staff, the admiral...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:05.56,0:30:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a British Air Marshall. Thomas Pike.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:10.44,0:30:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the Deputy SACEUR.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:13.23,0:30:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was Assistant Deputy to my boss,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:16.63,0:30:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an American four star general by the name of Lyman Lemnitzer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:21.46,0:30:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sir Thomas Pike, after the incident in February of '61 said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:26.07,0:30:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're going to have to figure out what the hell is going on here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:28.77,0:30:31.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're getting nothing from Washington or London on this issue.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:31.97,0:30:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We ask. They don't send anything.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:35.32,0:30:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We asked them for information and insight on these objects.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:38.90,0:30:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Who are they, what's happening?" Nothing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:41.94,0:30:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well nothing was because everything that came from
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:44.42,0:30:46.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Washington and London ended up in Moscow
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:46.75,0:30:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thanks to the French, the Hungarians and the Germans.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:50.45,0:30:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the study was initiated strictly as a military idea
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:54.48,0:30:58.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to conclude what the hell is happening for us here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:58.33,0:31:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there a threat, yes or no? They concluded apparently not,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:02.28,0:31:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because these guys had been coming and going for a long time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:06.12,0:31:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the history annex took it back a couple thousand years.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:11.29,0:31:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The records, the photographs, the drawings,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:14.11,0:31:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the paintings, it was unbelievable material.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:16.82,0:31:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was just all wild for me, you see.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:19.83,0:31:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but this is after World War II...\N- Yes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:23.20,0:31:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It was after Germany had, you know... Paperclip...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:26.39,0:31:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Germany was divided.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:28.79,0:31:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, and you were in West...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:30.91,0:31:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We were Western Europe.\N- Sure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:34.40,0:31:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The Warsaw Pact was Eastern Europe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:36.85,0:31:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So are you saying that the technology that was used
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:40.58,0:31:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Hitler and his group,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:43.14,0:31:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of which was brought back to the United States,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:46.39,0:31:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was not known to the West,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:48.30,0:31:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, to the people in NATO that were doing this report?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:51.28,0:31:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Of course not. It was highly classified.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:54.53,0:31:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But it's a classified document.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:56.59,0:31:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you're saying there's a classification in a in classification...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:58.71,0:32:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You have a classified document here
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:01.05,0:32:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you have classified document here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:03.42,0:32:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the guys who wrote this one and have access to this one,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:06.31,0:32:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't read that one because they don't have the need to know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:09.61,0:32:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the guys that have got this one and wrote it
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:12.34,0:32:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and read it and talk about it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:14.85,0:32:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can't read this one because that's another
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:17.24,0:32:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- separate classified document.\N- Okay, this guy...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:19.06,0:32:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...Pike, right, he's the guy in charge?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:21.84,0:32:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Thomas Pike, Air Marshall Sir Thomas Pike, initiated the study
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:25.44,0:32:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in February of '61 and said...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:27.74,0:32:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- He had a need to know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:28.79,0:32:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- "I want to know what the hell's going on"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:30.65,0:32:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- and they started the study.\N- He's in the military. He's in NATO.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:32.94,0:32:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's some kind of animosity, I don't know, to this day,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:35.75,0:32:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between NATO, right, and the US and...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:40.33,0:32:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Honey. You should have seen the animosity that existed
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:43.67,0:32:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in SHAPE headquarters itself.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:46.06,0:32:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh. Okay...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:47.20,0:32:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It was so bad that the Greeks and the Turks wouldn't even walk
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:51.73,0:32:54.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the same side of the corridor.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:54.27,0:32:57.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cyprus was an issue back then. It still is.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:57.46,0:33:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we had Greeks and Turks snarling and frowning
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:00.90,0:33:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at each other, and we had the French.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:03.81,0:33:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh ho ho ho ho... Excuse me, bless their hearts,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:07.49,0:33:10.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the French were a pain in the butt from the very beginning.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:10.45,0:33:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Why?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:11.17,0:33:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well first of all de Gaulle hated the fact that Churchill
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:15.55,0:33:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Truman had not given him the appropriate respect
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:19.77,0:33:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he felt he deserved.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:22.24,0:33:25.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the reasons, that happened while I was there,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:25.47,0:33:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that France withdrew from the Military Alliance.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:30.86,0:33:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,De Gaulle threw us out.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:33.86,0:33:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had to pack our bags and move the entire kit
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:37.63,0:33:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and caboodle from Paris to Brussels.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:41.10,0:33:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was there at the time when it happened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:43.49,0:33:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay where were you reading the report,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:45.75,0:33:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before or after this happened?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:46.93,0:33:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I'm reading the report in Paris.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:50.10,0:33:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SHAPE was located in a little town called Chatou...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:54.26,0:33:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rocquencourt, right outside of Paris.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:56.68,0:34:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A little old Napoleonic battle took place there somewhere.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:00.71,0:34:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyhow, the animosity between the French and everybody else...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:05.97,0:34:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Germans, the Italians, and the Americans and the Brits
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:09.27,0:34:11.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were all like this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:11.18,0:34:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The French were over here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:14.46,0:34:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But you're saying the guy who initiated the report is Pike?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:17.19,0:34:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Pike.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:17.80,0:34:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay. And you're saying, I mean he clearly had a need to know
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:20.81,0:34:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if he's having flyovers and the US is hearing about this,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:24.37,0:34:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Britain is hearing about this. The people at the top
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:26.94,0:34:27.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are hearing about this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:27.99,0:34:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, he does this report on his own or...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:31.53,0:34:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:32.19,0:34:34.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- ... or something. That's what it's sounding like.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:34.94,0:34:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had a need to know so theoretically...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:37.16,0:34:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- He was a five star rank Air Marshall. He had authority
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:42.68,0:34:46.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to initiate a study like this, and he did.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:46.19,0:34:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, where did it go from there? Do you know?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:47.96,0:34:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did it go to the US? Did it go to...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:50.31,0:34:52.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, no.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:52.35,0:34:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It sat in a safe somewhere?\N- They published fifteen copies.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:55.68,0:34:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:56.47,0:35:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The first, copy one, went to the Secretary General of NATO.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:02.83,0:35:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you cannot imagine what an international headquarters is like.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:07.25,0:35:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like a.. a wasp's nest.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:11.61,0:35:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, the Greeks and Turks
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:13.24,0:35:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were snarling at each other all the time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:15.24,0:35:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The French were always angry at everybody.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:19.26,0:35:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay so what you are saying, fifteen copies...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:21.84,0:35:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fifteen copies were initiated.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:24.44,0:35:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A copy went to the US, a copy went to Italy,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:27.17,0:35:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a copy went to France, a copy went to the UK, and so on.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:32.37,0:35:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fifteen copies are out. One copy,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:35.31,0:35:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the 14th or the 15th,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:37.07,0:35:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came right there in the vault at SHOC.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:39.58,0:35:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:40.33,0:35:42.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Reading material for the controllers,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:42.86,0:35:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the full colonels who ran the 24-hour-a-day War Room
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:47.74,0:35:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So you weren't the only one that read it?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:49.64,0:35:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh no, no, no. Oh no.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:51.40,0:35:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, we had an American Air Force general
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:53.64,0:35:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the name of Robert Lee.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:55.59,0:35:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Robert Lee read the thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:59.75,0:36:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got to know his aide fairly well; it was a lieutenant colonel.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:04.99,0:36:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Inside the War Room we were a select group.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:10.04,0:36:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all had the highest clearance possible.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:12.63,0:36:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The enlisted men and the officers mingled closely.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:16.45,0:36:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The enlisted men had... the senior enlisted men,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:19.17,0:36:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most of us were top E-7s or E-8s and a couple of E-9s.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:25.01,0:36:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we mingled closely, and it wasn't on a first name basis,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:28.79,0:36:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was always respect for rank.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:31.14,0:36:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you work in a War Room like that,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:33.27,0:36:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you work closely together over the years,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:36.08,0:36:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get to know each other pretty well.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:38.55,0:36:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,General Lee's aide told me, he said:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:40.33,0:36:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the old man read that story, that report,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:43.76,0:36:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Assessment,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:45.50,0:36:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he says it hit him like a truck, hit him like a ton of bricks.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:50.59,0:36:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told me that the General threw his hat
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:52.54,0:36:53.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,across the desk and he says,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:53.91,0:36:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do you know what the hell this means?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:57.55,0:37:00.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything we've got, everything we've done,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:00.01,0:37:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything we've had -- doesn't mean a damn thing."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:05.51,0:37:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The shock was pretty serious.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:10.09,0:37:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here you have a highly decorated
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:12.10,0:37:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,World War II Air Force general
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:16.35,0:37:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who'd been all over the place...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:18.27,0:37:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think he flew B-29s in the Pacific...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:23.38,0:37:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said, "If this is all true, if this is real,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:28.70,0:37:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we've got, all our military, our Air Force,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:35.00,0:37:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our bombs, our planes -- doesn't mean a thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:40.59,0:37:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The conclusions of the study after three years
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:45.48,0:37:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concluded that they had been coming here
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:47.77,0:37:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a very long time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:49.45,0:37:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That they apparently had some involvement
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:54.08,0:37:59.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the origins of our species. Big shock
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:59.45,0:38:06.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to traditional people, particularly Christians and Muslims.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:06.83,0:38:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was interesting because apparently there
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:09.17,0:38:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was not a threat involved.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:10.80,0:38:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they had been hostile or aggressive
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:13.19,0:38:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would have been over a long time ago.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:15.20,0:38:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now: what was their purpose?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:18.16,0:38:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the study was not able to conclude that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:22.40,0:38:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It said that the military committee
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:24.70,0:38:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will continue this research,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:28.72,0:38:30.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which indicated to me that the study
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:30.93,0:38:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some form had continued,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:33.15,0:38:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this document in '64 was simply an initial conclusion.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:37.62,0:38:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:39.31,0:38:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But when they concluded that there were four different
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:41.58,0:38:44.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extraterrestrial groups involved, and one of them was
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:44.33,0:38:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,totally human, looked just like us,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:46.77,0:38:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was a big shock
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:48.68,0:38:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the old traditional mindset of the military.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:52.83,0:38:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The admirals and the generals, they couldn't deal with it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:56.98,0:39:00.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- It also said that there was something to do with the religions,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:00.33,0:39:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all the religions of the world...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:02.02,0:39:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, let me tell you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:03.55,0:39:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The study was not that thorough.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:08.14,0:39:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a beginning for me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:11.25,0:39:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the initiative, the initial event,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:15.31,0:39:17.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that triggered my curiosity.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:17.78,0:39:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It launched me on 40 years of research.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:21.30,0:39:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And much of what I've concluded
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:25.32,0:39:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been a result of the years of study since.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:29.33,0:39:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, I continued to dig, I continued to probe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:33.16,0:39:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I continued to turn over rocks.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:35.75,0:39:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, I drove my friends up the wall.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:38.31,0:39:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, you've looked at this material,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:40.33,0:39:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've learned a lot. You weren't the only one.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:42.53,0:39:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've convinced me of that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:44.45,0:39:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Supposedly these people that you know also read it --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:50.93,0:39:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they weren't your close friends, I'm assuming?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:53.99,0:39:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, they weren't my dearest closest friends, no.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:56.83,0:39:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay but were you able to talk to them
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:59.07,0:40:03.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or have relationships with them after outside of 1967?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:03.75,0:40:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you ever compare notes?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:07.55,0:40:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- We formed, back in those days, what we call
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:12.66,0:40:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"the old boys network".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:16.22,0:40:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This network was made up of people like myself,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:20.54,0:40:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enlisted and commissioned. Of all services,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:25.31,0:40:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Air Force, Marines, Army, Navy. As I said, all ranks.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:30.82,0:40:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were others like me who were so engrossed by this
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:35.83,0:40:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and excited by it and what it meant.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:39.19,0:40:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You hear a few of them coming out even today,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:42.98,0:40:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those that are still alive, saying
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:46.44,0:40:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I saw, what I learned, what I concluded;
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:49.87,0:40:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reports I studied, the contacts that I knew happened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:55.20,0:40:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of them had contacts themselves.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:58.00,0:40:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Sure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:58.60,0:41:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Personal contacts with some of these guys
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:01.90,0:41:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Phil Corso was an example.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:04.27,0:41:06.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Are you familiar with who he was?\N- Absolutely.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:06.91,0:41:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I knew Phil fairly well. He and I were speakers
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:09.86,0:41:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at several conferences together.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:12.00,0:41:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in Italy I got to know him pretty well.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:16.21,0:41:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Phil shared with me things that he had had happen to him.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:20.98,0:41:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not just what he had seen,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:23.09,0:41:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that he had personal contact with an alien at White Sands.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:29.49,0:41:34.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was in charge of the security of the range one time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:34.09,0:41:37.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And something came in, the radar picked it up.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:37.79,0:41:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hopped in his car and went out to see what the hell it was.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:42.05,0:41:45.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a UFO sitting on the ground.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:45.10,0:41:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a guy standing beside it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:47.53,0:41:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Corso walks over to him and says,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:51.03,0:41:52.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, "What the hell are you, who are you,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:52.99,0:41:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and where are you from, and why are you here"?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:55.71,0:41:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This fellow says, "I just came to talk".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:59.68,0:42:04.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Corso asks him, "Well, are you with us, or are you against us?"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:04.46,0:42:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simple military type question, you know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:06.97,0:42:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you with me or are you against me?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:09.73,0:42:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This guy says, "Neither,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:12.57,0:42:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're neither for you or are we against you".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:15.90,0:42:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had a conversation with this guy that lasted over an hour.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:21.51,0:42:24.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The guy says, "Please turn off your radar,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:24.05,0:42:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it disturbs my control or my guidance system, so I can leave."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:29.63,0:42:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Corso went back to the shop, or back to the headquarters,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:32.78,0:42:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and turned off the radar and away he went.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:37.30,0:42:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got to know through the old boys network
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:41.82,0:42:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dozens of guys like myself,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:44.46,0:42:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were as excited and enthused about the thing as I was.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:49.09,0:42:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But they didn't become whistleblowers.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:51.22,0:42:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What's the difference?\N- Some of them did.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:53.63,0:42:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of them lost their commissions,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:55.64,0:42:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- some of them lost their rank.\N- Can you name somebody?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:58.64,0:43:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they became a whistleblower, do I know them?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:01.54,0:43:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, no.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:02.86,0:43:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What happened?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:04.15,0:43:07.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of them just retired and died.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:07.85,0:43:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so they tried to blow the whistle,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:10.40,0:43:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they didn't get known? They haven't lasted...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:12.51,0:43:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I mean, what is it?\N- Let me explain something.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:14.55,0:43:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- But you have.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:15.73,0:43:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I was one of the loudest loudmouths,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:21.19,0:43:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is my nature.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:23.50,0:43:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I retired as a Command Sergeant Major.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:26.28,0:43:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that rank gives me the privilege
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:28.74,0:43:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to open my big yap to anybody.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:31.74,0:43:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The generals, the admirals and everybody in between,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:35.41,0:43:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see? It's a unique kind of rank to have.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:39.04,0:43:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I see.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:39.58,0:43:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The generals depend on you to tell them the truth
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:43.15,0:43:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they like it or not
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:44.65,0:43:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so you learn to tell them the truth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:47.22,0:43:50.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I turned out to be a big mouth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:50.33,0:43:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sat on this for... when did I come out of the closet,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:55.65,0:43:57.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so to speak? It's just a term...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:57.19,0:44:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right, okay from 1967...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:00.80,0:44:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I sat on this from '67 to '92 or '91?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:10.49,0:44:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe I came out of the closet in '91.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:13.56,0:44:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, so that's a long time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:15.49,0:44:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yes. I respected my oath, which I swore.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:20.48,0:44:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I took an oath to never share anything that I learned
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:26.07,0:44:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a classified nature while I was on active duty.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:29.16,0:44:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I knew that if I did, I could go to prison for 10 years,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:32.94,0:44:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,$10,000 fine, forfeiture of all pay and allowances,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:36.40,0:44:38.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,retirement everything, whatever, forever.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:38.86,0:44:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay so you've come out. What happened to you?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:41.40,0:44:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I came out in '91 at a conference in Tucson, Arizona.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:47.32,0:44:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The result was monumental aggravation and frustration
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:56.81,0:45:00.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the government had continued over all these years
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:00.77,0:45:03.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to lie to the people.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:03.01,0:45:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only were they lying to the people,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:05.59,0:45:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were ruining lives to keep the lid on this subject.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:11.38,0:45:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had enough of that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:13.79,0:45:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had seen good friends of mine, guys who...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:20.35,0:45:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had said something to the wrong person,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:23.01,0:45:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the wrong way, at the wrong time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:25.06,0:45:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they sent them to Iceland, you know?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:31.20,0:45:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- They reassigned them?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:32.22,0:45:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- They reassigned them to Iceland without their families.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:35.30,0:45:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A three year assignment in Iceland.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:37.95,0:45:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's like the Russians sending you to Siberia.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:41.50,0:45:45.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had this in this country, the ability to do that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:45.18,0:45:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are assignments here and there that,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:48.10,0:45:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I don't want to use the wrong term
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:50.98,0:45:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and embarrass you but...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:53.60,0:45:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've heard the term anus mundi?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:56.03,0:45:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have places on the Earth
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:57.98,0:46:00.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we have military bases,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:00.37,0:46:04.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if they send you there, everybody says, "Bye,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:04.19,0:46:07.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll probably never hear from you again", you know?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:07.58,0:46:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but that didn't happen to you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:10.46,0:46:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- No, it didn't. And let me tell you...\N- Why not?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:12.13,0:46:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you know why?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:13.79,0:46:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- The more I learned,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:15.65,0:46:19.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more I grew aggravated I became.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:19.59,0:46:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at '91, I think it was, when I came out...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:23.04,0:46:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wendelle Stevens is a good friend of mine.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:25.00,0:46:26.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember the "old boys network"?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:26.49,0:46:29.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,retired Lieutenant Colonel Air Force
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:29.97,0:46:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wendelle is still alive down in Tucson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:33.29,0:46:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He and I were close for years. When I retired from the Army,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:36.88,0:46:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I bought a house in Tucson and lo and behold,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:39.86,0:46:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found I was right across the street from Stevens.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:43.99,0:46:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyhow, he went to prison, and it was a trumped up,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:50.70,0:46:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fixed political deal.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:54.22,0:46:56.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always suspected it was because
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:56.66,0:47:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he had spoken out openly on the subject.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:00.70,0:47:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now there were people who say, "No, no,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:03.67,0:47:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wendelle just made a dumb mistake,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:06.61,0:47:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he broke the law", and off he went.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:09.02,0:47:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He spent three years in prison.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:11.82,0:47:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, here's an example for you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:14.02,0:47:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People say, "Well, he screwed up".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:16.05,0:47:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I never did believe the man screwed up that way.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:19.90,0:47:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that partly him going to jail
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:23.48,0:47:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a result of him being very outspoken.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:27.16,0:47:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, that's a threat that you face. In '91 I was up to here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:33.99,0:47:37.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My first marriage was on the rocks
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:37.69,0:47:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a variety of reasons.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:40.53,0:47:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in a new job. I took a job with the Sheriff's Dept.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:45.37,0:47:47.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was actually working for FEMA
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:47.45,0:47:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an emergency management director.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:51.63,0:47:54.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I was just so frustrated and so aggravated,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:54.92,0:47:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waiting for the government to tell the people
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:59.11,0:48:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little something.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:01.66,0:48:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I was so frustrated and angered
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:06.89,0:48:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the fact that not only were they not telling them the truth,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:10.27,0:48:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were telling them blatant lies,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:12.71,0:48:17.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were also destroying people's lives.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:17.11,0:48:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were people who had contacts,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:19.92,0:48:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who the government would place in what they called,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:23.58,0:48:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is it the police put you in protective...?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:27.05,0:48:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Protective custody?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:28.34,0:48:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well not just custody,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:29.69,0:48:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they create a whole new life for you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:31.76,0:48:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Oh yeah, okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:34.31,0:48:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- I have seen examples of military families'
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:37.64,0:48:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lives destroyed because...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:40.61,0:48:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Because the person spoke out?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:42.47,0:48:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well, a pilot could come back from a mission,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:45.73,0:48:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and before they got to him he said something to somebody:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:51.26,0:48:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"My God, you should have seen what I saw up there!
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:53.92,0:48:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was this damn ship flying along beside me
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:56.50,0:49:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there were faces at the windows looking at me!"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:00.20,0:49:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This went public. And this poor son of a bitch,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:03.80,0:49:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they took him and sent him to Kwajalein, I believe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:08.42,0:49:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's some tiny little atoll in the middle of the Pacific,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:12.14,0:49:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you can't take your family.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:14.73,0:49:18.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he went off to Kwajalein for God knows how long,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:18.09,0:49:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,away from his family because he said one thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:21.24,0:49:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I learned all these things. It struck me that this was not fair.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:25.22,0:49:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That this was not right. That no government, dammit,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:28.80,0:49:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has the right to do that to people.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:31.32,0:49:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I came out of the closet in a big way.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:34.60,0:49:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:35.38,0:49:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Not only did I share everything I learned
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:37.64,0:49:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at SHAPE in the study, The Assessment,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:40.59,0:49:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is in itself is dynamite.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:43.04,0:49:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the real dynamite is all the stuff I've learned since.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:48.11,0:49:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I learned even after I retired from the Army in '76.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:52.48,0:49:57.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I became... I still had a clearance. I worked for FEMA.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:57.15,0:50:00.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got a, what, the equivalent to a Master's Degree
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:00.33,0:50:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in emergency management at the Institute
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:04.77,0:50:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Emmitsburg, Maryland.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:07.69,0:50:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, but they didn't come get you and send you off
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:10.33,0:50:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- to Siberia or Iceland.\N- No, they didn't
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:12.17,0:50:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because once I opened my big yap
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:16.11,0:50:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had people come to me to tell me that:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:18.41,0:50:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Bob, that's your only defense,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:20.21,0:50:24.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the only security you've got. Keep talking.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:24.43,0:50:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if they come and shut you up now,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:27.19,0:50:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it'll be so obvious to the world
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:31.13,0:50:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you've been closed down,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:33.14,0:50:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that must... what you've been talking about must be true."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:38.06,0:50:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I told you, I think I shared with Bill,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:40.71,0:50:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was intimidated. I had phone calls from people
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:46.04,0:50:48.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who wouldn't identify themselves.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:48.79,0:50:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- What did they say?\N- Male voices saying,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:51.14,0:50:52.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't you think you've talked about
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:52.45,0:50:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this just about enough?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:53.51,0:50:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why don't you the hell... it's time for you to shut up.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:57.59,0:50:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Who's this?" "Never mind.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:59.09,0:51:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Keep your damn mouth shuton this." Click.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:01.83,0:51:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a number of those.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:03.46,0:51:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a little house in Tucson in a cul-de-sac.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:06.10,0:51:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived there, bought it years ago.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:09.60,0:51:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bought it in '60-something.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:12.53,0:51:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sitting there one day reading or whatever,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:16.15,0:51:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I hear a very distinctive sound.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:21.13,0:51:23.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I knew a helicopter. I knew the sound of a Huey
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:23.74,0:51:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I'd been in Viet Nam,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:26.21,0:51:29.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Huey has a distinctive sound all of its own.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:29.89,0:51:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought, you know, is it passing over?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:34.30,0:51:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it kept and the damn thing was sitting over my house.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:40.33,0:51:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I go out the door into the driveway and I look up,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:43.37,0:51:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a totally black Huey-type helicopter,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:48.88,0:51:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not more than 100 feet above my house,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:51.98,0:51:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,violating FAA rules, you know, totally violating the rules.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:57.82,0:52:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The damn thing was sitting up there
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:00.07,0:52:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was not a marking on it. Not one mark on it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:04.13,0:52:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was totally black and that was a violation of FAA,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:07.92,0:52:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know. Now these guys violate the law all the time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:11.72,0:52:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I stood out there and I thought, "Who the hell are you"?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:15.13,0:52:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I looked up and studied it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:16.63,0:52:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was this big circular glassy
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:22.87,0:52:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apparatus on the bottom of this thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:25.58,0:52:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was part of the aircraft.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:27.69,0:52:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I concluded later that it probably was
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:29.98,0:52:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of those 360-degree windows.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:33.46,0:52:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were probably guys sitting in there looking at me
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:36.10,0:52:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down through this glass.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:39.13,0:52:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was black, totally black. The glass was black.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:42.66,0:52:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thing was just sitting up there, just kind of like:  
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:45.77,0:52:48.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nyah, nyah, nyah, you know, that...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:48.18,0:52:49.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are you going to do about it?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:49.66,0:52:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I shook my fist, pointed my finger,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:53.48,0:52:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mouthed a couple of profanities.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:56.78,0:52:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called them a number of names:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:58.45,0:53:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I know you, you son of a bitch!
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:00.07,0:53:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know who you are and I know what you're doing!"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:02.27,0:53:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:03.50,0:53:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- And about this time I'm really giving them hell.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:07.13,0:53:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sure they thought, "All right, we got his attention."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:10.10,0:53:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Off it went.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:11.63,0:53:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, totally black, no markings: a violation.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:14.97,0:53:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hovering over a private residence: a violation.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:18.50,0:53:19.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Sure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:19.01,0:53:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- You know they don't care.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:20.46,0:53:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was an intimidation.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:22.53,0:53:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was right after I had went public
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:26.06,0:53:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at this conference in Tucson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:28.39,0:53:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay. So tell me, you had friends in high places,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:32.05,0:53:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I know you've spent some time in Washington.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:34.92,0:53:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who's protecting you? Because...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:36.84,0:53:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it human, is it extraterrestrial...?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:39.54,0:53:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Let me tell you what I think, and this is just my two cents.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:46.23,0:53:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that after I came out publicly with a big mouth,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:52.04,0:53:55.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and spoke and began to speak regularly at that time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:55.82,0:53:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From '91 on, I traveled the world.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:57.92,0:54:03.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good God I was invited... I've been to 18 countries.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:03.30,0:54:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think going public and being out in the open
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:06.81,0:54:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably was what saved me --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:10.05,0:54:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other than the phone calls
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:11.93,0:54:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the black Huey and all the rest of it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:14.34,0:54:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know I've had people come up to me at conferences,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:17.51,0:54:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guys who would not introduce themselves,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:21.99,0:54:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and would... Suits -- you know what the term suits means?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:25.61,0:54:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three-piece with vest..typical government agency type thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:30.80,0:54:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Uh, you've been speaking out pretty bluntly about this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:35.18,0:54:39.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are you doing this?"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:39.57,0:54:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, who are you?"\N"Well, never mind,"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:42.00,0:54:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Why are you doing this?"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:42.90,0:54:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well first of all, the truth has to be told."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:44.98,0:54:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, yeah, you think you know the truth?"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:46.94,0:54:50.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think, "Well, I know some of it, how's that?"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:50.19,0:54:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a matter of fact I know quite a bit of it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:52.50,0:54:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's even better. And I've had those happen too,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:56.17,0:54:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the years.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:57.37,0:55:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had an interesting time... I spoke at Leeds at a conference.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:02.08,0:55:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Got a call from a guy who identified himself as "Mr Sweeting".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:08.00,0:55:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, typical UK name, I guess, "Mr. Sweeting".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:13.19,0:55:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We found out... Tony Dodd checked out the phone number
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:16.55,0:55:18.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Mr Sweeting,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:18.01,0:55:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who called me and said it was imperative
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:20.23,0:55:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he speak to me before I went on.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:23.51,0:55:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tony and I both got in the phone booth together,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:26.76,0:55:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crammed in here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:28.27,0:55:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tony's listening as I'm talking to Mr Sweeting,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:31.29,0:55:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he says,  "It's imperative, Mr. Dean that I speak to you
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:33.80,0:55:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before you go on".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:35.16,0:55:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What are you going to say?"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:37.61,0:55:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I says, "Well, Mr Sweeting, if you're local,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:40.18,0:55:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why don't you come to the conference and listen?"
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:42.98,0:55:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, no, I can't do that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:44.61,0:55:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanted to know what you plan to say."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:46.45,0:55:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "I plan to say a hell of a lot."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:49.77,0:55:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Tony checked the number. And guess where?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:53.59,0:56:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's an enormous US National Security Agency facility
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:03.13,0:56:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Yorkshire, called, ah...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:05.67,0:56:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Menwith Hill
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:06.57,0:56:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Menwith Hill. I've driven by it. Tony took me by several times.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:12.07,0:56:17.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr Sweeting's number was Menwith Hill.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:17.30,0:56:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, so what... that's it? That's the gist of your conversation?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:21.33,0:56:24.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well the gist of the conversation was Mr Sweeting would not
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:24.73,0:56:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say anything to me about who he was
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:26.45,0:56:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why he wanted to talk to me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:28.80,0:56:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I told him, I ain't gonna share nothing
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:30.92,0:56:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with him over the phone.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:31.94,0:56:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he wants to talk to me, come to the conference
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:34.68,0:56:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'd be delighted to talk to him face to face.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:39.06,0:56:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well on that issue, have you had whistleblowers,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:42.30,0:56:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, come out of the closet and share stuff
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:44.97,0:56:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- with you since you're a whistleblower?\N- Oh God, yes!
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:47.38,0:56:51.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh hell, yes. I've had people come up to me and say,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:51.49,0:56:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You know, I've been wanting to share this, Dean...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:54.23,0:56:56.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think I can share with you because you won't
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:56.75,0:57:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take my name and address and phone number and turn me in.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:00.04,0:57:02.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this happened to me and I know it happened to you."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:02.82,0:57:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've all been members of what we call the "old boys network".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:07.70,0:57:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We wanted to get it out. We wanted to get it out honestly,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:11.36,0:57:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up front, and democratically, dammit!
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:16.23,0:57:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- So you've convinced me that you're out there,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:18.68,0:57:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm still not buying it completely because...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:22.44,0:57:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think that you've had health problems?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:27.10,0:57:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you had you know, mind control,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:30.76,0:57:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if not, then I have to ask you again, who's protecting you?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:36.20,0:57:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Well let me say this about that (sounds like Nixon):
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:42.58,0:57:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have shared this with people several times
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:45.48,0:57:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they've asked me the same question, okay?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:47.87,0:57:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after I became notorious, I suppose is the best word,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:54.31,0:57:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I've spoken bluntly, regularly
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:57.87,0:58:01.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all over the damn planet, and all over the United States,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:01.87,0:58:09.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a considerable amount of positive response from people.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:09.69,0:58:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only military thanking me for going public,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:14.62,0:58:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've a number of old, close, warm friends
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:19.25,0:58:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have retired to a level of some degree.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:28.27,0:58:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A good friend in Roswell, a retired army sergeant
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:35.67,0:58:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who after he went public, his son was killed
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:40.34,0:58:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a hit and run.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:43.44,0:58:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they always concluded that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:45.12,0:58:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was the result of his going public.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:47.79,0:58:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Clifford Stone.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:48.79,0:58:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Clifford lost his boy.\N- We interviewed him, yeah.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:52.05,0:58:58.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Clifford is a very close friend and his boy was
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:58.27,0:59:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killed right after he had published his book.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:01.53,0:59:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now you say, "Oh, coincidence". Bullshit!
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:05.69,0:59:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have seen a lot of coincidences in my time
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:07.95,0:59:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't believe in it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:10.03,0:59:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't believe there is such a thing as coincidence.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:13.09,0:59:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In everybody's life, there are no coincidences.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:16.56,0:59:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all laid out.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:19.30,0:59:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clifford is like me now; he's turned into a recluse.