following part conversation was recorded on 24 September,
2008. Dr Bill Deagle called us, and as we were not expecting
the call we were unprepared for a recording. It is
incomplete at the beginning and at the end, but this
middle section is so interesting that many may like to
read it. The original audio is available from this
Cassidy: We’re going to be speaking at NEXUS in Australia
in the beginning of October and also at the Crash Retrieval Conference,
covering just that sort of question.
Yeah. I know it’s a broad question.
I have to say… I mean, what we‘re
getting is very similar to what you’ve actually been
talking about for the last 5-10 minutes. We are getting lots
of cross-correlation, various whistleblowers in Black Ops,
and also what you might term intuitives, and people coming
forward from actual on-the-scene places, reporting about what’s
going on with the economy. Certainly we’ve been in contact
with Ben Fulford, that there was some kind of effort with the
Japanese to bail out the US economy. Apparently that’s
Japanese were going to buy out a large chunk of some of these
banks, Lehman and other ones.
K: Right. And we do understand the whole… that,
you know, it’s like a paper tiger. It’s just crashing
all by design though.
K: Right. We understand that this is the Illuminati
agenda. And we also understand that behind the Illuminati you’ve
got, you know, a certain faction of the Anunnaki. So it goes
way, way back.
Bill Ryan: Yes. One of the analogies, Bill, that I
use when I’m talking to people is the metaphor that you
described in your Granada Forum lecture, that it’s like
they’ve just piled up all the ingredients for a fire,
with a little tender and the kindling and the big logs and
the large logs, and all it needs is a match. And now I think
they’re just about to strike the match.
BD: Oh yeah. They are. In fact, it won’t
take very much. It could be economic collapse and they could
declare martial law.
We get that.
got around 8 billion out there under active handlers and
of those 780,000 are actually for execution.
suspect that there may be several events coming up in quick
succession in the next three or four weeks.
they could happen. Several things are going to be intervening
need to realize that we’re not dealing with...
This is something that’s really shocking for a lot of
people that think the New World Order’s run by a bunch
of rich, inbred white guys from Europe.
dealing with transdimensional entities and
beings from other worlds that even transcend the idea of the
Anunnaki. They have to understand that there’s a galactic
order and a cosmic order to things... of higher order beings
that have been watching our world, certainly very aghast with
the battlefield that’s been going on in the psychic level,
the physical level, the informational level, etc. It’s
been on every possible level you can imagine. And we’re
caught in the clutches, literally, of being on the battle line
of a great galactic and cosmic war. Literally Star Wars.
We would agree with that.
BD: That star-war has been going on for ages, with previous
collapses of our civilization caused by these same creatures.
What’s happening now, though, is that human beings are
getting to the point where we’re almost ready to be birthed or
And the decision is going to require a sea-change in the
attitude of people, not the technology, to get us through
this, but an attitude change in terms of the core connectedness
of people to their Higher-order Self, if you want to call
it, understanding the nature of what they are as
a being, and the nature of the universe.
K: Yes. That’s
BD: And religions, which I call “real lies going
on”… because the problem is, religions are a substitute
for knowledge and wisdom of what’s really the nature
of themselves and the nature of their universe.
K: Yes. We wouldn’t argue with any of that. Basically
we understand the underlying spiritual basis for what‘s
going on. And I have to say that we’re also very concerned
over the energy that is put out there to make something either
happen or not happen.
BD: Well yes, exactly. In fact, the negative energy
-- and this is one of the things I’ve been concerned
of lately; I talked to Jeff Rense about this just over the
weekend -- is that a number of the “patriots” are
putting out such a negative message they’re actually
creating, if you want to call it, an environment that will
manifest it into reality.
creating what I call the Kool-Aid of Fear that could manifest
a lot of destruction.
K: Well, I mean, we also want to… we’re
concerned on this level as well. And one thing that we do to
change that paradigm is at the end of every interview or anything
we do, we always stress that we are co-creators.
course we are..
we need to wake up and get connected with each other such
that we can actually change what’s going to happen
and mitigate what’s going to happen. To be honest with
you, although I see you… you’re one of the people
that talks on the most negative level. Now, I realize
that you may not intend it that way…
you sort of tell it like it is.
BD: I really don’t even unveil the totality of
what I know but I try to always deal with issues where I can
provide solutions, whether it’s avian flu, like we’re
working on … actual things, like the AeroClave Program
to stop the avian flu coming in in aircraft. We’re actually
working with Homeland Security and Dr. Gordon Peterson and
others. And we try to bring in people to talk about some of
the things. Because, to be honest with you, I’ve only
discussed about 10% of the stuff I really know that could be
very, very negative.
I see is, a lot of people kind of play down the desperateness
of the situation. I think you need to do both. You need to
show how bad it is, but also show that you have a lot of
power, not only personally but corporately, once you activate
and kind of unveil other peoples’ knowledge
of this, to kind of steer us away from the iceberg of disaster.
K: Well that’s we’re banking on. And that’s
why we started our new website which you may be familiar with,
which is projectavalon.net, where we have a forum there that’s
absolutely taken off like wildfire. It’s all about finding
safe places, networking, and building communities for what’s
coming in the future.
BD: Well, what they’re doing right now… Luckily,
with the avenues and the things that’ve been given, we
just had a major release of information about the Oxycontin
Scam with the Israeli Mossad and the Dixie Mob and Purdue Pharma
to build a plant in Israel to distribute billions of dollars
of illegal Oxycontin. So 99% of it is coming in with the Israeli
Mossad and the Dixie Mob, which is Dr. Richard Charles Norton.
K: You know, Richard Norton is a big follower of our
site and we’re in touch with him.
BD: Yes, I know that. What he’s done there… And
he’s been on the show, and he’ll be on again this
week. I managed to get him on Jeff Rense and he’s been
on Don Nicoloff. I told him to get on as many shows as possible
and try to promote … because this is what I call a fulcrum
issue. Because the illegal Black-Op money is funding most
of the building of these underground cities and off-world space
BD: And they’re building an average of two of
these giant underground cities every year now in America, plus
they’re building cities and facilities all over the world.
So they’re getting ready, not just for a staged WWIII
or an alien invasion. They’re getting ready for something
that’s cosmic and galactic.
people that do this think they’re doing the
right thing because they’re going to “preserve
civilization.” So you have to get into the mind of the
twisted people at the top that think: Well, 90% of the
people will die, but civilization will survive. That’s
what their mentality is. That’s what I call a “triage
mentality” in terms of civilization.
also have an agenda, though, that has to do with clearing
the Earth out for their own use.
of course. They have multiple agendas, but they all do what
is right in their own eyes, which is the basis of Luciferianism.
really only two perspectives in the universe: Connectedness
to the creator of the universe, or just Luciferianism, which
is Let your will be done.
And everything else is just what I call falseness in religion
which are, as they say, “real lies going on.”
on board with all of that.
it’s important for people to kind of
start getting… how can I say, willing to remember what
they always knew.
a nice way of putting it.
what the word re-cognize means,
BD: The problem is, you see… I
tell people: If we have the spirit of the creator god in us, then
we are the I AM and we have to stop pretending that
it’s an external creator and also take responsibility
for the destruction of our planet.
going to cutesy little movies like Wall-E and
seeing large corporations turning the Earth into a garbage
dump by design, which they’re doing very effectively,
from spraying from these robotic drones, and creating pollution,
and depleted uranium, and everything else.
to start to see beyond the greed of just a bunch of maniacs,
to people that are in a Death Cult, to something that transcends
human -- or even any other advanced entity of being that
would be in this cosmos or universe -- that has malevolent
intent. And when you start understanding that, you start to
see beyond the agenda, and you start to see something that
even if you wanted to just be rich and powerful, you wouldn’t
do what they’re doing. It’s a Death March, in other
BD: And you also have to decide that you’re
going to not participate in it. The biggest problem right
now is that it can only happen if we give permission, including
the fear. In fact, the fear gives them permission
to create the future reality and to steer us toward disaster.
K: I think that’s very good information and I
think that’s also a good perspective that you’ve
got there. I think that that kind of thing will be very important
to put on the video for people.
I want to lift up…
not only information that they need, but they also need to
understand how to deal with it. You understand?
BD: Yes. I feel it’s almost … The process… Having
worked and seeing many people die, it’s like seeing the
death of toxic Ideas, the death of a toxic fairytale-land that
never existed, and that that’s the civilization that
they’ve become used to -- which can’t continue
in its current state because it’s going to result in
the death of all of us if we continue to allow it to exist.
K: Yes, it’s
kind of like a short death or a long death.
BD: Right. In other words, we have to decide whether
to participate in this game any longer that’s going to
result possibly in the death of all human civilization, or
whether we’re going to grow up and take responsibility.
BR: That’s the core question right there. That’s
BD: You mentioned you’re getting this from a number
of different sources. I don’t want to just put it on
the 2012 issue in terms of Nibiru and all this stuff, because…
The major events that are happening right now, or actually
are already started to happen, was the magnetic pole shift
and the possible reversal of the magnetic flux of the Earth
that can result in the collapse of the magnetosphere on or
after 2012. It can result in the ozone layer going bye-bye.
And a 60-minute drop in the ozone layer in 45 minutes would
knock out the benthic layer of the upper oceans and kill most
of the grassy plants on Earth and about 1/3 of the trees.
BD: So that’s
already been worked out, that an ozone collapse would occur
with a magnetic field collapse.
this is true. Although from what I understand, they do have
technology that can mitigate some of this.
BD: Sure they do. In fact, that’s one of the main
Black-Op procedures under HAARP and the weather control, was
using all these systems. In fact they have multiple layers
of it. A lot of the work they’re doing is actually control
of the weather if there’s a magnetic field collapse and
a magnetic field flux shift of the Earth.
K: Right. That’s
the positive side.
would not have to be solved on the technical level
if we are spiritually on the right track, in other
BR: We had insider confirmation from somebody whose
name we have never revealed, but who’s a very brilliant
scientist whose name you would recognize instantly. He told
us that he was contracted under a Top Secret clearance for
the Department of Homeland Security. And he told us that there
were three events that would be coming up for us in the next
few years, and he apologized for presenting us with bad news.
The first one, he said, was a coronal mass ejection.
BD: Well, in fact … Let me explain a little about
this before you proceed so that you will understand that I’m
getting a piece of information that may be correct.
mass ejections are always tied to major earthquakes. And
the reason is, it rings the Earth as a bell and the Earth… The
tectonic plates have certain tectonic plate harmonics. So when
you hit the right harmonic frequency … In fact, this
is how tectonic weapons work. And I know because I worked with
NSA and they told me, a senior agent told me, exactly how their
space-based tectonic weapons work by creating what’s
called tensor harmonics in the plates. And they reach
what’s called the slip threshold -- basically what’s
called a piezoelectric slip threshold -- of the plates.
there’s a coronal mass ejection, there’s
a direct link. You guys should go back through the major earthquakes
that occurred over the last century. The biggest ones have
all been triggered off by massive solar ejections. They often
occur after a period of incredible solar quietness.
And we’ve had the quietest time in almost 100 years,
with almost no sunspots.
that usually precedes a solar mass ejection.
K: Also there’s
a linkup between the sun and the movement of magma under
BD: That’s right, because magma’s basically
an interlocked engine. In other words, it’s like the
engine of the… The way the universe works is that the
center of the galaxy is a black hole that is equivalent to 2-trillions
star masses the size of our sun. And there’s a photon
jet that comes out of that that actually drives nuclear reactions
in all the stars in the galaxy and creates the vortex -- the
time/space vortex -- that actually creates the spin of
interlocked magnetic flux lines of the suns interlocks with
all the plasma fields underneath all the planets and stars,
so that there’s an interlocking there. And there’s
also an interlocking with our bodies’ cells, called the Lamar
Effect, where the valence electrons are bumped out to
the outer orbitals, to cause chemical reactions. So if you
don’t have a magnetic flux field, your chemical reactions
turn off and you die.
So we’re all interlocked, in other words. The symbol
for the super black hole at the center of each galaxy that
creates this vortex field that’s connected across an
umbilicus to a parallel universe. And the symbol for that is
the swastika, the oldest symbol found in the temple
at Delhi, India, over 5500 years ago. So they’re quite
aware of it. That’s why they had the Society of the Black
Sun in Germany because they understood that this knowledge
was passed down through… from the sacred libraries collected
in most recent times by the Romans. But it ended up in the
BR: Yes. Just to continue, though, this guy referenced
the event of 1859 that you’ll probably know about as
something to help us understand what kind of event a mass ejection
BR: There was a huge solar storm. At that time, of course,
it didn’t affect any electronics or anything, but they
had auroral displays as far south or as far north as the Equator.
there was a big fireworks display and everyone just kind
of watched it all. But nothing was taken down. And, of course,
nowadays it would be a totally different story.
some reason that we don‘t understand, this guy
who contacted us a couple of years ago said that this thing
would be coming up for us around about 2009. He did not explain
how he knew this was coming.
The second thing he said was that there was going to be a magnetic
pole reversal. His exact words, just to support what
you’re saying there.
BD: Yes, that’s already happening. We’re
having a collapse of the North Atlantic and the South Atlantic
in the areas of the Arctic and the Antarctic. That’s
already happening now.
BR: And the last thing he said, and this was two years
ago, and this may have been mitigated, (and this is a longer
conversation that we’d like to talk with you about),
he said there would be a pole shift, a physical pole shift.
BD: So you’re
talking about a physical pole shift.
BR: This is what he’s
BD: Yes. In other words, you’re
talking about a precession of the spin of the Earth that
causes the actual continents to drift.
BR: What he said was a pole shift. Now, there’s
complicated information here that we can -- this is probably
beyond the scope of this phone call, which we can talk about
when we meet – but there’s a possibility that that’s
been mitigated. In other words, it won’t happen. But
even without that we’re in trouble enough. So it’s
kind of like we’ve got a lot on our plates right now.
BD: Well, at the very least, even if they mitigated,
the main problem that’s going to happen is major climatic
changes and famine. The most thorough way to do that is a pandemic,
even more thorough than a nuclear war, because within two weeks
of a nuclear war the radiation levels are low enough for troops
and people to move around even without rad suits. So a pandemic
is much more serious than that in terms of stopping services
and so on. Because once the dust is clear, if you’ve
got limited destruction you can find routes of transport and
most of the ground level radiation is low enough people can
walk around because most of the radioisotopes have dissipated.
K: OK. Well, we’re
getting also some information about this belt around the
BR: This is John Moore’s information, which you
may be familiar with. Because he says that he has talked to
three independent submariners. And one of the words that he
used was really quite compelling to me. He said that if you’re
in a submarine, knowing where the bottom of the ocean is and
knowing where the surface of the ocean is is mandatory.
BR: He’s referring to a classified US Navy map
showing drastically altered coastlines. Now you may be familiar
with this. And the question that we’ve always had about
this is: Well, where does this water come from? And
John Moore says that…
Actually… Look, we really need to understand the physics
of this, because, due to the spin of the Earth, you’ve
got… Actually sea level at the Equator is much further
away from the center of the Earth than it is any other place
because you’ve got centrifugal force. It’s about
400 feet higher at the Equator.
so what we need to do is to change the axis of
rotation of the Earth in some way and then all of that water
readjusts itself. And when it readjusts itself you’re
talking about huge impacts on coastlines.
yes. In other words, what you’re saying
is there’s change in the bulge of the Earth to a different
BR: Exactly. That’s
right. And if the liquid bulge of the Earth moves, then that
impacts billions of people everywhere. And this is just one
of the physical knock-on effects of some kind of alteration
in the way that the Earth is spinning.
BD: Well, one of the things that people need to know
-- and I’m going to have Robert Felix back on; I’ve
been investigating this for about 5, 6 years -- is that as
we enter this energetic part of the galaxy, there’s a
lot of cosmic rays and other things that act as micronuclei
to trigger increased rainfall. And the thing that precipitates…
the most serious effects of climate change is actually not
global warming, it’s increased rainfall caused by
cosmic particles that act as micronuclei. And the rainfall
increase is the thing that drives us into an ice age. And it’s
very probable that, as we head into this photon belt, that
it’s going to trigger another ice age, because we’re
in an interglacial period. And it doesn’t take 10 years
to happen. It can happen literally in one year.
BR: Yes. That’s
BD: So it’s very probable that what will be triggered
as we pass through this, even if we only have a magnetic pole
shift and we survive that, is it’ll precipitate a glacial
ice sheet mass of snowfall. The amount of rain that has been
occurring in Canada and across north Europe and the northern
States is absolutely phenomenal. If that continues through
this winter, they may very well have snow in the northern latitudes
that may not be gone by next summer.
heard that there were some ice sheets in the Rockies that
were previously just seasonal and which are now becoming
BD: Right. Now what’s happening… And a
lot of the Global Warming people try to say they’re seeing
the polar ice sheet melting in the Arctic, but that’s
because they’re directly over the Gakkel Range which
is a 1500 km range of volcanic mountains and the water’s
coming out at 700 degrees. So it’s melting from below.
what’s going on in Antarctica… and nine
out of ten glaciers are actually increasing in thickness.
So what we’re heading into, I believe, is an ice age.
of the Arctic is all caused by under-oceanic currents caused
by volcanism. There’s an incredible increase in
volcanism. 90% of active volcanoes on Earth are under the oceans.
BD: That feeds along the inter-oceanic band there that
is 40,000 miles long. One of the most active areas is the Gakkel
Range in the Arctic. And that’s why the polar ice shelf
was breaking off. We’re having global cooling at
the same time that volcanism is increasing.
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