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The Ultimatum : Benjamin Fulford -
Part 2
Tokyo, Japan, February 2008

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Kerry Cassidy: So, we’re at the Rothschilds. Right? And Babylonia, Nimrod, and all that. But, this is the Illuminati you’re talking about, right?

Benjamin Fulford: Well, I mean, you can call it Illuminati or you can call it the King’s Court. You know, there’s a lot of problem people have with semantics, right? So for example, if you talk about Freemasons and Illuminati, a lot people say: Oh all that crazy stuff, associated with reptiles and funky UFO things. Right? And their mind is shut. But if you tell them: No, no. It’s like a “plutocracy” and “aristocracy,” then they don’t have these associations that have been put in their brain, and they can absorb the information.

I started looking up how the ancient Sumerian society was managed and you find that it’s really quite similar to the modern United States. In Japan they used to call the Finance Ministry the “Big Warehouse" Ministry. But in the old days you’d have a whole bunch of people who did not grow their own food anymore. Right? And you’d have these surpluses. So they’d store this extra wheat in big warehouses, and it would be the high priests who would control the distribution of the food to the masses. And this is now what we call “central bankers.” But behind the high priests was a king who had god-like powers. And they created the story that there was a “god” who could see and know everything. And it was an abstract one. So it existed in parallel with the real guy with a beard on a throne who had god-like powers. So this is the system that still exists.

And remember, if you control the food supply, then you can hire warriors and intellectuals and control society-- control their thinking, control their food, and control them through violence if necessary. And that’s how it works even now. That’s why it’s so important to understand that finance is control over your food supply, control over your…

Bill Ryan: Control over your energy supply as well.

BF: Energy supply. Yes. But I mean, at the end of the day, it’s food. Without it you die.

KC: OK. And basically you keep people busy by sending them to war. Right?

BF: OK. If we fast-forward…As a Canadian I was always kind of proud of the War of 1812. I thought: Hey, if little Canada managed to hold off the United States… But apparently what happened was that in 1812 the American Republic decided not to renew Rothschild’s banking license and the American people took control of their own money. And that’s why Rothschild invaded the United States and that was the real reason for the War of 1812. (That’s why you have in your anthem: “Oh say can you see by the dawn’s early …” a flag and a fort that survived a British attack.) So, you know, a lot of our history is hidden. But, for the next century the Rothschilds plotted and schemed to get back control of the United States money supply and therefore the American people.

I can believe they had their ideals, you know. They got the best and the brightest and they would debate, you know, how to do the greatest good for the greatest number. I think there were quite enlightened and liberal aspects to what they did. I mean if you just look at how the societies like Holland, Canada, and stuff, that were under their control… you can see they’re really quite nice places for all sorts of different levels of people.

But what happened was (and this is how I analyze the situation now)-- to take over control of the United States, they tried many things. I think they engineered the Civil War. But they got Carnegie, Harriman, to control the railroads and the steel production. And the way they did it was, they would lend them the money, but they’d lend it in such a way that eventually they would have to give the railways to the Rothschilds. It was a very clever scheme.

We have, I think, William Avery Rockefeller-- was a horse thief and a seller of fake medicine. And this was according to Pulitzer’s newspaper who I think had a big expose on the father of John Rockefeller the First. But John Rockefeller the First was into oil and he would buy the refineries. He would come up to a guy at an oil refinery and offer him cash and a low price. If the man refused to sell, he’d cause problems with the workers or maybe sabotage, whatever necessary. And the Rothschilds took note of this Rockefeller guy and they decided they’d help him. And they would allow him to transport his oil at much cheaper rates than all his competitors. So he got the oil monopoly.

And I think most people know about this now, but in 1913, finally the Rockefellers, the Harrimans, the Warburgs, this group of families, were able to take over the Federal Reserve Board, supposedly on behalf of the Rothschilds. But I do believe that Rockefeller staged a sort of coup d’etat. He said: Hey, I control the American Army and I control the American economy, and so I’ll cooperate with you, but I’m in charge here. And he took over the United States. So I think you became a Rockefeller fief, not a Rothschild one. They meet and they cooperate.

KC: Right. So to this day, you feel that there’s cooperation?

BF: I think there is some cooperation. I think there is also conflict. And you can see this, for example, in the pattern of UN resolutions. For example, the Europeans have consistently voted for Israel to solve its problems with the Palestinians based on something like 1967 UN agreements, you know, with some modifications. And it’s the Americans and the Israelis who have always vetoed all sorts of different things. So if you look at the pattern of European vs. American voting in the UN, you can see the difference between the two sides.

KC: Right. So where does Japan fall in this group?

BF: OK. Now in Japan what happened was, after Admiral Perry came, Lord Rothschild sent a fleet and they attacked the Satsuma and Choshu clans in the south. And they had the Kinmu Emperor murdered and they installed a 16 year old boy by the name of Toranosuke Omura as the Meiji Emperor. And they financed the modernization of Japan. So they set up the royal family, the Emperor, in power, and they helped him modernize Japan. And they fought the Russians. And I think the Japanese were very grateful. And in 1903, after the victory, you know, the Japanese Emperors were made par with British royalty. Every Emperor goes to Oxford to study.

But I think that after World War II the Japanese started to get disillusioned because they were not treated as equals. They were not given what they felt a fair deal. They felt there was racism.

And this was the essential reason why the British Empire never became a real world empire. Because they’d take some very intelligent Indian gentleman, educate him at Oxford and give him the highest levels of knowledge, but at the end of the day they’d say: Well, you’re a wog. You’re a bloody wog, so you’re just going to have to work for us. If they had made it possible for someone like Gandhi to be the head of the entire British Empire-- in other words, let them in, let them join the upper ranks-- they would still be in control of the planet to this day.

But because they were saying essentially, you know: At the very top it’s a white man’s club and you guys are just high level servants, well, they alienated them.

KC: OK. But how does this relate to World War II and you know the whole… I mean, the Americans eventually… You’re saying Rockefeller helped the Japanese up to a point.

BF: No, no. I’m saying Rothschild helped the Japanese.


BF: But in the 1930s the Japanese made a break for independence. They wanted to set up the Southeast Asia Co-Prosperity sphere. They wanted to modernize all the “yellow” countries so that they could stop colonization by the whites. That’s how they looked at it. Unfortunately, the Japanese are an island people and they’re not very good at relations. But what you have to also realize is that history is written by the winners and so the reason the Japanese were able to take over most of China and were only stopped by US invasion, was because a lot of the Chinese actually welcomed them. This is something that you don’t read in your history books.

But there was an attempt by the Asians to prevent being colonized. They looked at the Europeans as, like the Borg in Star Trek – only one way of thinking is correct. Can you imagine this giant pyramid of a society, with this Eye at the top: “You Will Be Assimilated,“ you know. “Resistance Is Futile.” It’s how they looked at it, and there’s something to it.

There’s a sense that if it’s not done the western way, it’s wrong. A good example is the pachinko. I mean, they do have gambling and it does work but it’s not within the western-style legal framework. It’s in a separate framework. The same way as the bureaucrats… they defied the law. And that’s a more living, fast-reacting system than, you know, using endless courtroom battles.

I mean, Americans are, what, 4% of the world’s population, 20-some% of world GDP, but 50% of the world’s lawyers, and 50% of the world’s military expenditures. So, you know, a lot too much time is spent arguing and fighting, as far as the Asians are concerned. [laughs] You’ve got to remember, they look at things very differently and it takes a long time to understand their perspective.

KC: OK. But you wrote a book about Rockefeller and his role.

BF: OK. What happened was, once I started to understand all this, I realized that, after World War II ended, control of Japan went from the Rothschilds to the Rockefellers. And at first they said to the Japanese: You just go ahead and develop your economy any way you want. Rebuild your economy and as long as you’re militarily allied to the US, that’s all we care about. Right?

Until the 1980s, when Japan had these huge trade surpluses and this made them [Rockefellers] very, very nervous. And I now realize why, because they [Japanese] thought they had won World War 3 without firing a single shot because they had managed to control most of the world’s financial assets. And money is power. If you have that money you can hire the soldiers, you can hire the intellectuals, you can…

KC: So how are you saying Japan did this?

BF: By working hard and generating trade surpluses.

KC: OK. Electronics?

BF: Electronics, cars, you know, nice products that people want to buy. And, you know, they [Japanese] had the control of the money. This is where they [Rockefellers] started to get worried. And they set out to kind of put the Japanese back in their place. And they managed to get them with this bubble, which was basically on US orders. They said: First of all, we want you to raise your yen. Right? Because they didn’t want the Japanese to have control of the money. And the yen went from 360 to the dollar to, at one point, 79 to the dollar. But all that happened was, the Japanese moved their industrial base to China and Southeast Asia and got them rich. Right? So that didn’t work.

So finally what they were doing was, they were bullying and killing Japanese politicians.

KC: Who was?

BF: The Rockefellers, I would say, at the end of the day. In order to make sure they never were presumptuous enough to use their money the way they wanted to, but rather just hand it to the Americans.

And I still haven’t checked this out, but I’m pretty sure if you add up all the Japanese trade surpluses and the numbers and then compare it to what is now officially recognized as Japanese assets, you’ll find that the trade surplus is much bigger.

In other words, it’s like… you go to a bar and you say: Put it on my tab. And then after a few years you say: Well look, forget about half my tab. Let’s just, you know, forget about it. And so the idea is that we’ll just keep taking money from you forever. It’s like tribute payments to the Roman Empire. They send cars and they send TVs and they get nothing back except paper. This is how they look at it, and it’s right. For 34 years the Americans have been getting stuff from all over the world and not paying for it.

Bill: Why have the Japanese then tolerated that for so long?

BF: Yeah. Um… First of all, after World War II they truly and genuinely fell in love with the United States. You know, they were told they were gonna be tortured and stuff. I remember this guy shivering in fear about the war, when American soldiers were coming, and they’re gonna torture him, and what’re they gonna do? And the guy gives him a Hershey Bar, right? This was symbolic. They were really well treated. And up until the fall of the Soviet Union they also really felt that they needed the Americans to protect them. And they had created this illusion of fear, right? If you don’t’ have us, you’re going to be conquered.

But the only thing… They’ve been subjected to very intense propaganda since the end of World War II. There was a Doctor Funai, a well known guy here in Japan, who had a senior American officer stay at his house after World War II. And the officer said to him: We’re going to change your education system so you don’t get any more geniuses. And they did.

The propaganda the Japanese have been subjected to is that, first of all, they’ve been given an inferiority complex; second, they’ve been told that America’s a wonderful country; and third, they’ve been told that without American protection they’re doomed. And their education has been deliberately “dumbed down” so they don’t know how to argue, they don’t know how to debate. They’ve been trained not to have opinions.

KC: But isn’t this also part of the Oriental mindset that even the Emperors kind of push down to the people?

BF: Um… There is something to the traditional Confucian model, right? But in the traditional Confucian model, the key is that the people at the top have to be true models of modest behavior. I mean, they have to be very morally upright and treat their country like their family, like their kids, and be nice to them. So that’s the difference in philosophy. It’s not just one of blind obedience to a tyrant, but rather, ideally it’s like a generous and gentle father-figure which, is what they aspire to. So what you see in North Korea is a remnant. What you saw with the Maoist thing was this traditional sort of kinship system of Asia.

KC: Right. So there’s a built-in respect for power and authority and figures on top, thinking that they’re beneficent.

BF: Yes.

KC: But that’s naiveté at the same time. I mean, your explanation has to be a little bit simplistic in terms of why they would accept this kind of “dumbing down,” as you call it, of Japanese society across the board. What was in it for them?

BF: Well, first of all, when you enslave a person, you beat the hell out of them, and then you be really nice to them. And in effect you say: Hey, if you do what I say I’ll be really nice to you and treat you well but remember, if you don’t… That’s what those nuclear bombs were about.


BF: But also, I mean, the Japanese were able to develop their economy. They were left alone, you know, for a long time. It’s only in recent years that it’s become kind of really bad, noxious. OK?

There’s an illness at the heart of the American system. And what it boils down to, if you look at financial flows, OK? Money has been going from the poor countries to the rich countries. And within the rich countries it’s been going from the poor to the rich. It’s like a giant sponge sucking up all this life energy. The poorest people on the planet, you know, they’re forced by agribusiness and other things, to the lowest level, and the only thing they can do is sit on something even lower, the poor little weak creatures. They have to burn down forests to make new farmland because they’ve used up their farmland and they don’t get access to fertilizer, so they have to, you know, ravage the planet.

So, the source of poverty and environmental problems in the world is the people who own the Federal Reserve Board and their policies of prioritizing the rich, and everything to the rich. And that is the essence of the problem.

And the Japanese have had their savings stolen from them and they’ve been forced to adopt economic policies that have increased poverty here. The so-called reforms that Prime Minister Koizumi and Heizo Takenaka were forced by the Americans, through blackmail, to impose on the Japanese have meant that… A recent survey by the Asahi newspaper shows that the amount of people who think their lives have gotten worse since these reforms began is more than double the amount of people that think it got better.

They have created a society split between the very rich and the poor. American society is also the same. American male workers’ salaries peaked in 1973, and they’ve been falling ever since. So, if you look at the gross mean product… in other words, the level at which half the people are below and half the people are above, you’ll find it’s very close to the poverty line.

They’ve been taking money. It’s really just too much money has been going to the rich and they haven’t had proper ways to spend it. And they’ve been deluded into thinking that the problem with the environment is too many brown people burning down forests, and so the answer is to get rid of them. And they have been manufacturing diseases. There is solid evidence that AIDS (HIV) was made by the US military as a bio-weapon against Africa. And…

KC: What about SARS?

BF: SARS is a bio-weapon that targets a specific gene that is very prevalent among Asians but almost never found among Caucasians. So, it’s a race-specific bio-weapon.

KC: So let’s get down to this whole association you had with the Yakuza on the one hand, the Chinese secret society…

BF: All right. As I started to understand how things really work, my understanding of news events became very different, because I could merge the two, you know, the conspiracy world and the Wall Street Journal world, into one. Right?

KC: Right.

BF: I got an opportunity to interview Heizo Takenaka last year, in the spring, and I confronted him with a lot of evidence. In 2003, in February I believe, he told Newsweek Magazine that no bank was too big to fail. And he imposed some arcane economic rules that forced the companies to sell their cross-share holdings. In other words, the banks and the companies used to own each others’ shares so no outsider could come in and make a hostile takeover. And he forced the companies to sell their bank shares. And he put out that no bank was too big to fail and everyone thought that meant that the bank shares would be worth nothing. It’s like I say: I’ll sell you my wallet. There’s no money in it, but there’s bills. And if you buy it, you have to pay the bills. Well, nobody’s gonna buy it. Except you tell your friends: Hey listen, I’m gonna put 2.3 trillion yen of taxpayer money in that wallet later, so it’s a bargain. Right?

So, what happened was, the stock price of the banks plummeted in 2003. And if you look at who bought it, you’ll find that it’s bought by foreigners: State Street Bank, Chase Manhattan, CitiBank. In other words, a group of financial institutions that are controlled by these “charitable foundations” that are in turn controlled either by the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers, mainly the Rockefellers. Well, these families. I use “Rockefeller” as an abbreviation for this group of inbred aristocratic families, the American side versus the European side. The Bushes are part of it, for example.

KC: Right.

BF: So you can actually see it in the financial data. And what happened was, the president of Resona Bank did not want to sell his bank to these foreigners. And they have over a 33% share, which is what gives them controlling interest. And he also sold the Postal Savings. It was sort of like a gangster husband saying to his wife: Hey, come on, give me more money. I’ve got no more. Hey what about that Postal Bank? You’ve still got that. Give it to me. You know? It’s what it boils down to.

But anyway, getting back to Resona. The president didn’t want to hand over his shares, unlike the other banks - they all meekly comply. And so what happened was, he said: Hey, I’m not bankrupt. And so the accountant in charge of Resona died in mysterious circumstances. It was sort of a suicide or a murder. And suddenly the accounts showed that they were bankrupt. And at the time the ruling party policy system is saying: If you’ve got even $100,000, $200,000, buy Resona shares. It’s gonna be a big deal.

And then there was a professor at Waseda University, by the name of Uekusa, who started to say: Hey, you know, there’s something very fishy going on about Resona. And he was arrested in Yokohama for looking at a girl’s underwear with a mirror. The woman in question never actually filed a complaint, but never mind. He was fired from his job, taken off of his TV shows.

I was also blacklisted around that time. I was taken off a lot of TV shows. They said: You’re on a black list, Mr. Fulford. We can’t put you on the show anymore.

KC: Why?

BF: Because I came in like other guys who were pointing out the BS about these so-called economic reforms. And they didn’t want people to know what was really going on.

Anyway, a Mr. Ohta from the Tax Department also started investigating Resona for tax evasion and stuff. And he was arrested in Yokohama for looking at a girl’s underwear with a mirror. And then, Mr. Suzuki from the Asahi newspaper who had a big scoop years ago with the Recruit scandal put out in December 17th, year before last, an article saying that Resona was giving 10 times more donations to the ruling party than other banks and that there was a suspicion of insider trading. It was supposed to be part of an investigative series. That night they found his body in Yokohama Bay. OK?

So I confronted Mr. Takenaka with all this information. I have it on video. I have not released the video because Mr. Takenaka started telling me that he was forced to do it because the United States threatened to hit Japan with HAARP if they didn’t. OK?

KC: OK. And what would have been the impact of that? Tell us what that meant to Japan.

BF: Earthquake.


BF: Ahm …. We’ll get into that more, because I know this starts getting into really esoteric things. It’s almost mind-boggling, you know?

KC: Yeah.

BF: I mean, I had a lot of trouble wrapping my mind around this stuff for a long time.

After I interviewed Takenaka I got an email from someone at the Japan Development Bank who is a disciple of Mr. Takenaka. And he said to me: There’s someone Mr. Takenaka would like you to meet. And I have the copies of the original email, too. And so I go to a Shinjuku Hotel room and I meet a man wearing a fancy silk kimono. OK? I have a photograph of him and I have a tape recording of this conversation. OK?

And he had two rings. [Holding up right hand balled into a fist]  One was a mask of a devil with horns and [holding up left hand balled into fist] the other looked like a wedding ring. And he’d go like this-- [thrusts right fist toward camera while raising left hand with open palm toward camera] and there was a Freemason mark [on the open palm]. And he says: These horns, just put a little bit of poison on them… and touch me and I’d be dead. And he tells me he’s a Ninja, which is a professional assassin.

And I - you know - AHHH. And the guy looks very different from the average Japanese. He’s a member of the Sanka, or Mountain, people. They’re like the Ainu. They’re sort of like, maybe, the Japanese equivalent of an Apache. Very warlike. They’re used by Japanese Special Forces.

He says to me: Mr. Fulford, if you want to be, you know, a muck-raking journalist, go ahead and do so, but you will die at age 46. However (and he gives me a big Freemason badge), he says: If you don’t, you have a choice. You can become Finance Minister of Japan. OK? So he’s offering me a choice between death or the job of Finance Minister. And again, I have this on tape. I have the email trail. I have the video of my interview with Takenaka. OK? So, it’s weird stuff but I have the proof.

Anyway, I thought that I would have no choice but to go along. But I had been reading about, you know, population reduction plans, and so I asked him: Is it true? (And I have this on tape, too) He said: Yes. In order to protect the environment we need to reduce the world’s population to 2 billion. And war just doesn’t do it, so we’re gonna try to use disease and starvation.

KC: Who told you this?

BF: The self-described Ninja sent by Takenaka. Right? And, you know, I had already found out that SARS was a bio-weapon targeted at Asians. So this was very disturbing! You’re talking about killing 4 billion people. Right? So they’re offering me the job… And he just said to me: Look, we’re taking money from the Japanese, but we’re not, you know, cutting out their flesh from their bones, we’re just skimming off the fat. Right?

That’s how they describe it. We’re looting these peoples’ money but we’re not gonna kill ‘em, you know. And he said the population of Japan would be reduced to 70 million. They’d allow 70 million to live. And they need about 500 million Asians to keep making toys and stuff, you know? He’s describing, you know, massive genocide. OK?

Again, I have it on tape. I can prove this man was sent to me by Takenaka. So the very next day, OK, again…

KC: So what did you say to this guy? I’m just curious. Did you say yes at that point? Or did you say let me think about it? And he said OK, or …

BF: Well, you know, it was all too overwhelming. I didn’t give any clear answer but I thought maybe I had no choice but to go along with these guys and try to do something from the inside to stop them. Right?

But I guess a lot of people of the very elite… I’m sure it happens to Mr. Obama and Clinton and anybody else at the high levels of US politics, senators, whatever. Someday they’re given the same kind of ultimatum: Death or cooperation – so either you join us or you die. And that’s how they manage to control the United States and enslave the American people, by capturing the very top elite and forcing them to go along with a combination of bribes and threats.

KC: OK. When you say “they,” who’s they?

BF: Well, this is what you’d call the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderbergs. Now, the Trilateral Commission comes up, but that’s not got any power because… The Trilateral Commission was set up by the Rockefellers because the Bilderbergs were too racist to let the Japanese in. So it was made as a forum for the Japanese to have their say. And at first some very high level Japanese joined. OK? You have like prime ministers and stuff in there. But the Japanese say: Well, hey, they didn’t listen to us. I’ve talked to many members of the Trilateral Commission, right? So now you have, as the head of the Japanese side, is the president of Fuji-Xerox. You know, before they had Prime Minister Miyazawa, right? So it’s a big drop, like the Japanese say: To hell with your Trilateral Commission, essentially, because you won’t even listen to us.

So anyway, what I’m saying is, it’s the families that own the Federal Reserve Board and all their hired hands. They have the money.

KC: So Takenaka’s guy that comes to you and makes this offer to be a Freemason is sent by “Who” at the top?

BF: Well, Takenaka was a disciple of Henry Kissinger’s. And Henry Kissinger works for David Rockefeller. And I had accused Takenaka of selling the Japanese financial system to Rockefeller. OK? So basically if you, like, imagine a video game, right? A pyramid. And the first step in the pyramid is the boy scouts, right? And about the 4th step is the Rotary club and you keep rising up. Well, I was getting right to the top level, because they told me when they offered me to join the Freemasons, they said: Look, above the 33rd level there’s 13 levels. OK? And remember the US dollar bill? The pyramid on top? The Eye represents the people who set the human race to the job of pyramid-building. So you see It’s an unfinished pyramid. OK?

So above the 33rd step are 13 steps. And this is the inner group of about 10,000 people who control the west. And I would say a lot of them are very decent people who really wish to do good things and did not wish to find themselves within those ranks but had no choice. I’d be willing to say that the majority of the people in that elite group are good people with good hearts who want to do good things for the planet and find themselves in this hidden King’s Court .

KC: OK. So you got this offer.

BF: Right.

KC: What did you do next?

BF: Well, what happened was, the very next day I got a call from a movie director, a Japanese movie director, and he says to me: I want to talk to you about something. So I met him and he said: There’s someone I want you to meet. So I went to another hotel room. Right? They seem to like hotel rooms, you know, when they want to talk about important stuff. And again I recorded this, although I’ll never release this recording. The guy tells me that he represents an Asian secret society and that they have 6 million members, including 1.8 million gangsters and 100,000 professional assassins.

Now, recall I did tell you I had a degree in Asian studies with a China area specialty. So I had read about this society in the history books. I knew about them. It’s the Red and the Green. What happened was, the Ming Empire was like the high point of Chinese civilization. You’ll find that the Ming ceramics, the Ming art, everything was at the highest level. It was really an idyllic society and they look back at it with a lot of fondness. And, there was a General guarding the northern border against the Manchus and he was very much in love with his wife. And they kidnapped his wife. They said: If you want your wife back, you’re gonna have to let us through the gates. And he did. And the Ming Empire fell and the Ming army became an underground organization, and the Ming navy. OK?

So the Red and the Green are the army and the navy. And the Green also is the bureaucracy. So, the 1.8 million are gangsters. The other 4.2 million are intellectuals, PhDs. They’re the smartest people. And their plan was to overthrow the Manchus and restore the Ming. They were responsible for the Boxer Rebellion which was against the use of opium, among other things. And—this is very interesting—because the people selling the opium was Skull & Bones! So they’ve been fighting this western secret society since the 1800s at least.

KC: OK. But wasn’t it the British that introduced opium?

BF: It was the British, too, but if you look at the Skull & Bones, you’ll find they were slave traders and opium runners. That was their so-called China trade. So it was both.

KC: So you’re in this hotel room and, now, you understand the background between what he’s asking you and saying where he…

BF: Well, they’re saying they’d like to offer their assistance to me, because I’d written in a book about SARS and bioweaponry and these people are trying to kill you and you’ve got to do something about it. Right?


BF: At first… I mean, this was all happening in one week. Right? And this was totally, you know, out of the normal parameters type of stuff that’s going on. So it took me a while to digest it. The first thing I thought was: Well, jeez, we could play 9/11 videos in Chinatown or something. But I said: Look, let me get back to you. Let me think about this. And I spent about a month thinking about it.

And I had this great, what I call my “Kill Bill” moment. You know there’s a scene in the movie “Kill Bill,” these two women fighting with swords. It looks like it’s gonna be a long, nasty fight? You’re not gonna be sure who’s the winner. Right? But one of the women (the bad one) has one eye missing. She has a patch. Suddenly she grabs the [other] eye and blinds her and ends the fight.

KC: Yeah. Unbelievable. Very, very graphic.

BF: Very graphic, but I thought: Hey, why not just target the Eye of the Pyramid? Because most westerners don’t even know it exists.

They’re so scared at the top. I mean, they kill so many people so frequently, that they’re terrified. They’re very secret. It had been, until the internet came about .You know? Nobody knew about this. I certainly wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t run into it first hand. But then I found the evidence trail. Again, you follow these foundations and who controls them; you’ll see that the Rockefellers control about $10 trillion worth of stuff.

But anyway, I realized the Society has 6 million members and the western Secret Society, the top is only 10 thousand. So it’s 6 million against 10 thousand. So suddenly I said: Well, that’s it! We’ve got these bastards. And that’s when I started writing the stuff on Rense and, you know, making …

KC: OK. So you must have gone back to this group. What do you call this group now? Because they’re a group of Yakuza and Chinese secret society.

BF: It’s the Red and the Green Society.

KC: And you must have joined them, because you’re not dead.

BF: Yeah, well, I went to meet all their big bosses.

KC: In China?

BF: In Taiwan. And I joined. I became the first westerner in 500 years to join.

KC: And then Rockefeller or, I don’t know if you want to say “Rockefeller”-- but whoever, the head of the Freemasons-- had to leave you alone at that point?

BF: Well, I mean, what the Chinese or the Asians said was: Look, we won’t make the first move. But what happened was, I started writing stuff about Takenaka and Rockefeller. And I got death threats from this Ninja, you know? He was saying, you know: Ultraman, you’re running out of time, your red light is beaming. You know: It’s people who think they’re not gonna die are the ones that end up in Yokohama Bay. Lots… I have emails; I have copies of these death threats.

KC: Did you have a body guard at that point? Did you hire someone?

BF [sighs]: No. Look-- if you need a body guard, it’s too late. You have to operate at a higher level. I mean, if they really want to shoot me, they’re gonna shoot me. You have to make ‘em not want to shoot you. That’s the trick.

KC: OK. And now because you joined this group and because the odds… I mean, that made big news when you kind of came out about that.

BF: But what happened was, I sent an email saying: Hey, look, if you kill me, then every member of the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Schiff, etc. families, will die. You know, there’s 600 assassins for every one of them, if we want to. Right? If the norm is killing, they can all be killed. Right?

KC: We understood that to be the Majestic - the group - what we call the Committee of the Majority. They were in essence the ones that were threatened. Is this your understanding?

BF: Yeah. That was the original idea but what’s happened since then is I’ve been trying to get a more accurate picture of what’s going on. And I’ve finally narrowed it down to the people who control the Standard Oil monopoly and the people who control the Fed. They are the source of the problem.

The oil monopoly… The Americans think that’s the key to their geopolitical power, is control of oil. But they’ve lost that control because Putin kicked them out of Russia, they don’t control Iran, or maybe they do, I don’t know about that. I think Ahmadinejad and Bush may be working for the same king. I’m not sure on that one. But Venezuela is also free. So they’re losing their oil monopoly.

And the other thing that’s happened is that they no longer have, theoretically, the military ability to take on the rest of the world. OK? The United States army cannot defeat China. They’re done many different exercises and every time the Americans lose. The bottom line is the Chinese people are prepared to fight and win a nuclear war. They can put their entire population underground and hit the US with 300 missiles and wipe out every city in the US. The Americans can wipe out the surface of China but they’ll all be underground. And they can sink their aircraft carriers and shoot down their satellites. So it’s no longer possible to militarily beat them.

The only choice for the Pentagon (and they know this) is to get soft power and to do that they need Japanese money to finance a campaign to end poverty and stop environmental destruction.
And that’s the proposal I made.

My plan, my mission is to come up with a win-win solution for everybody. The best way to prevent yourself from being killed is not to make enemies. And so I don’t want to make enemies. I’m trying to make everybody happy.

KC: OK. But you’re basically taking what I thought were sort of age-old enemies, which is the Chinese and Japanese, and they’re banding together to fight what is the Rockefellers and the people that own…

BF: Well, when they create biological weapons that kill Asians…

KC: They have a common enemy.

BF: I mean, look, they’re gonna try to kill us. What’re we gonna do?

KC: Right.

BF: And this society, like I say, to get back to their history… The Meiji Emperor helped them overthrow the Ching and install the Sun Yat-Sen as president of the Republic of China. And so, they, together, helped liberate China. And during World War II, this society in Japan and other Asian countries all worked in concert. So it goes all across Asia. And Chairman Mao was financed by the Soviets, who were a Rothschild subsidiary. And so the Green and the Red gang last appeared in the history books in 1949, fighting the communists in Shanghai. And then they disappeared. They went underground again.

But in 1967 they kicked out the Illuminati from China. That’s why they had a big Soviet-China split, why the Soviet Union and China nearly went to nuclear war. And the Chinese have secretly prepared. They’ve built these huge underground cities to prepare for nuclear war. They had their nuclear weapons. And that’s when they kicked them out. And China became independent again from these western, you know, central banking families.

KC: OK. So where does HAARP fit in? Tell us about that.

BF: OK. When I published some essays on the internet about Rockefeller and the Illuminati, the secret history of the Illuminati, I had a call from this Ninja guy. He says: Oh boy, you’ve now done it. Now there’s gonna be an earthquake in Niigata. The Americans are gonna use their earthquake machine. And boom, next day, two identical 6.8 earthquakes under Japan’s biggest nuclear reactor happened.

KC: Right.

BF: And this is what Takenaka told me. He said: The reason I had to hand over the financial system was because they threatened us with their earthquake machine.

Imagine that! An ally that’s been financing your army, you hit their nuclear reactor with an earthquake machine??? I mean, what sort of way is that to treat a friend?

KC: So, OK. Let’s get down to it. If that’s what they have, then how are these secret societies claiming to fight a machine like that? Because you’re talking about scalar weaponry, I’m sure you know that.

BF: Well, you cannot stop an assassination with an earthquake machine. You know? Western people don’t know about their leaders, their true leaders. So all you gotta do is assassinate them all. You cannot prevent that with an earthquake machine. That’s the point of targeting the Eye.

But more to the point is, you make them a more generous offer. So I’m saying to the people in the Pentagon that you have the job of saving the planet and you’ll get even more money than now. Think about it. They spent $600 billion, you know, to steal oil from Iraqis and pipeline rights from Afghanis. For $600 billion, they could have a man on Mars. They could have a base on Mars by now. So we’ll give them even more money than they’re getting from these idiots who control the oil.

KC: But if they print money, why do they need money?

BF: Well, you know, here’s the trick, OK? And this is why it’s falling apart this year. Since World War II they’ve basically said to countries: OK, here’s the oil you’re allowed to have and here’s your dollars. And the backing of the dollar was control over oil, and control over this huge military machine - the threat of violence. And then, you know, there’s $53 trillion in circulation. And again, the US government owes $66 trillion to its own people.

So the United States needs to borrow something like a trillion dollars a year now just to keep going. And they’ve been doing it for 40 years, so they’re basically bankrupt. If you earn $13,000 a year and you have $120,000 in debt and they say it’s time to pay back, well, what can you do? Can they threaten violence? No. Because if it really came to it, the Americans would lose. So they can no longer use their threat of violence and they’ve lost their oil monopoly. So that’s it. Right?

So, if you’re in the Pentagon, you’re thinking: Well, jeez, the only thing we can do now to save the day is to get all the non-Asian peoples on our side. And the way you do that is, you be nice. You fight poverty and you save the environment, you know, help them save the planet.

So, you know, I’m offering them a way out. What happens is, you replace the dollar with a new currency. And it may be necessary to have some kind of global currency. But not as these guys have been planning - control in secret by a secret elite.

It has to be controlled by the people. Remember that. The key to democracy is control over money by the people, not by a secret elite. It’s the money that counts. If you lose control of your money, hand it over to people you can’t see, you’re a slave.

That’s what you have to remember. Never, ever again, let some secret power elite take control of your money away from you. That’s the key. People work for money.


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Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy